Reroute back to original route as soon as possible

[mkrezdo]

Hello all,

sorry for a perhaps simple question, but for me it is not possible to test it out at the moment, so I hope someone can answer following question:

I plan my route on a pc and want to navigate it 100% like it is planned (for that I use normally the kurviger format / sometimes gpx tracks).
Because of this I deactivated the reroute/recalculation in the Cruiser settings. I had bad experience with several navigation solutions in the past, that after rerouting the complete route was diffrent.

So my target & the question: Is it possible to use a setting that - in case of missing the route (eg because of a blocked street) - trys to go back to the original rout as soon as possible but without changing anything behind the point when I got back on the original route?

Hope I could describe it clear enough :-)

Thx in advance,
Marco

[devemux86]

Hi @mkrezdo,

Is it possible to use a setting that - in case of missing the route (eg because of a blocked street) - trys to go back to the original rout as soon as possible but without changing anything behind the point when I got back on the original route?

As you described, this is exactly how rerouting already works in Cruiser navigation:

• It calculates a new re-route to the next point (via or shaping)

• The rest of the original route remains unchanged

So you can be sure that you navigate your route as it was planned. 🙂

If you've seen something else, can you post a route example so we can check it?

[mkrezdo]

I guess then it does not exactly what I mean. You said it will go back to the next point as soon as possible. But if I've a route with not many points there can be big changes after the reroute.

I try to make an exampel: a 150 km route ( https://kurv.gr/XthLB ) planned in kurviger with max. curvy profile. I can import this 1:1.
There are no additional points in the route (because they are not needed)
But if there is a road blocked after the first 10 km - is Cruiser than really try to reroute only this area or will it change the complete route to the highway because it is faster?

[devemux86]

@mkrezdo thanks for the extra details!

Rerouting now happens to the next waypoint (via or shaping).

But if I've a route with not many points there can be big changes after the reroute.
There are no additional points in the route (because they are not needed)

An alternative (we had at the beginning) is rerouting back to the route, regardless of waypoints.
If there is interest, I can restore it, probably as option?

So if there are not many waypoints (via or shaping), at least it will get back on route very soon.

But if there is a road blocked after the first 10 km - is Cruiser than really try to reroute only this area or will it change the complete route to the highway because it is faster?

In blocked areas you can use the "Avoid roadblock" function (tap the top-left direction icon).

The rerouting depends on the selected routing options.
Have you selected BRouter (offline) and avoid motorways and other main roads in routing settings?

Next Cruiser will also have:

• Curvy and extra curvy routes with BRouter (offline) #254

[0709wiwiwi]

With back to track or trackpoints, I personally have not had good experiences.
Recalculation to a shaping point is clear plus is selectable and easy to skip.
Cruiser can already add shaping points without a recalculation trigger.

[devemux86]

With back to track or trackpoints, I personally have not had good experiences.
Recalculation to a shaping point is clear (selectable and skipable)

That's why we had removed it and preferred rerouting to next shaping / via point.
But it can be useful in cases like the above route 150 km without extra waypoints.

Cruiser can already add shaping points without a recalculation trigger.

Now in Beta, it will be available in the next version:

• Cruiser 4.0.0 (Beta) #482

[mkrezdo]

An alternative (we had at the beginning) is rerouting back to the route, regardless of waypoints. If there is interest, I can restore it, probably as option?

So if there are not many waypoints (via or shaping), at least it will get back on route very soon.

That sound's like what I'm looking for. I understand that someone does not like it because it is undefined. But I prefere this.
I such an case I zoom out and drive along the road, the redirection and check the map as long as the way back looks good for me.

In blocked areas you can use the "Avoid roadblock" function (tap the top-left direction icon).

But this is not possible without stopping the bike and doing sth on the phone. This is a reason why I do not like it that much.
It does also happens that I only missed a road :-) - also then this will not really help

The rerouting depends on the selected routing options. Have you selected BRouter (offline) and avoid motorways and other main roads in routing settings?

Next Cruiser will also have:

• Curvy, extra curvy, custom routes with BRouter (offline) #254

Yes I've choosen BRouter offline and I already installed the Beta. This new feature is great as backup on the road. But also this will not create the same route - it's a bit diffrent than how Kurviger is planning

[0709wiwiwi]

@mkrezdo

Now in Beta, it will be available in the next version.

[devemux86]

Positioning a shaping point not causing any recalculation must be done very precisely indeed.

It is actually very simple:

• Long press route and set point (shaping or via)
• Press OK without moving the map

[devemux86]

Add shaping points on a route is an action to be done in route planning e.g. at home.
Not while driving, where everything should be handled by the app.

I will examine how we can offer the old rerouting without waypoints.

[devemux86]

As an extra option.

[0709wiwiwi]

Not while driving, where everything should be handled by the app.

When faced with a barrage with a local diversion you probably stop for a moment and decide what to do.

[WolfgangZ42]

Willi,
because I'm a lazy guy, I do this by gpxshaping.de and get even more shaping points:

But nevertheless - setting enough shaping points is the right direction!

[mkrezdo]

additional Test on my way home from work yesterday. I created a Kurviger route extra curvy.
Then after a few 100 m I drove left on the highway instead of straight on as the rout was planned. (green arrow)
Best case I could expect is that it'll take me back on the blue planned route as soon as possible (pink arrow)

But what it did is that. Replan the red route (light green was the original). In Cruiser BRouter offline "fastest route" is choosen.
Regardless of that I do not want to drive the complete different red route - why is it planning this also very curvy route an not the fastest one over the highway?

[devemux86]

@mkrezdo thanks for the examples!

As explained above, rerouting now calculates a new re-route to the next waypoint (shaping or via).
So the route should have several shaping points to not change in rerouting.

We will add a new rerouting option that will work regardless of route's waypoints.

In Cruiser BRouter offline "fastest route" is choosen.

What do you mean?
If not want fastest route, then select a different route profile that avoid motorways and main roads:

• Curvy and extra curvy routes with BRouter (offline) #254

[devemux86]

I can also add a function in Cruiser that adds automatically shaping points in a route.

Should this distance be in settings or fixed, e.g. every 10 km?

[bios4]

Shaping points dialog makes an action with 1 option.

Do you plan for providing an "undo" option for this action to remove the added shaping points again?

[devemux86]

Do you plan for providing an "undo" option for this action to remove the added shaping points again?

Cruiser has a history of the route changes, so undo / redo are always available. 🙂

[bios4]

Cruiser has a history of the route changes, so undo / redo are always available.

You're talking about the round arrow- and X-buttons in the middle of the screen, right?
How can I get them back after (accidentially) closing them with tapping the "X"?

[devemux86]

How can I get them back after (accidentially) closing them with tapping the "X"?

Long press on the map and they are at the bottom of the menu dialog.

[bios4]

Puh - that these arrows there represent the very same functions as the on-screen buttons were not self-explaining to me!
Thanks for clarifying...

[devemux86]

1. Rerouting to next waypoint (current default)

2. Rerouting back to original route (available via a new option)

Note that the direction arrow also changes, showing the direction to the next waypoint or just the route.

1. Rerouting to next waypoint

2. Rerouting back to original route

[bios4]

@bios4 thanks, I will change the texts.

If you keep the toggle (instead of radiobuttons with both options explained), I would appreciate if the description would contain the different options somehow, e.g.:

Optionally, you maybe could combine the first two options from this ^^ screenshot in ONE setting with radiobuttons!??

• O Recalculation off
• O Recalculate to next waypoint
• O Recalculate to nearest point ahead

[devemux86]

Better go for the radio buttons:

Rerouting mode

• Recalculate route to next waypoint
• Recalculate route to nearest point

[devemux86]

Combined with the unique "Strict route following" in Cruiser using all points or just via points,
we can have a very interesting and personalized navigation.

[bios4]

Suggestion - change the second option to "Recalculate route to nearest point of original route" (should fit nicely in terms of screen space)

[devemux86]

@bios4 thanks, we can do this.

[devemux86]

The new rerouting mode is available for testing in the latest:

• Cruiser 4.0.0 (Beta) #482

(Settings | Navigation | Recalculate route)

[0709wiwiwi]

I have tested this virtually now anyway. ONLY by a simulation !
It produces the same nonsense as before with the kurviger app.

[devemux86]

@0709wiwiwi thanks for the report.

This new rerouting mode does not add extra shaping points.
Everything is handled internally and only the original route waypoints are used.

Rerouting tries to return to the nearest next location after exiting the route.
If you are far enough ahead, the nearest next location would be clearly further ahead.

It all depends on the geometry of the route and the location of the user.
Please post specific route examples and user location to check.

[0709wiwiwi]

Even through a Lockito app simulation (speed 50kmh), it takes some time to test, but I did notice that a shaping point 1 was added to the original design with only a start and a stop. I sure can forward you the trajectory.

[devemux86]

@0709wiwiwi thanks for the example.

This can currently happen when the route does not have via / shaping points.
Otherwise extra shaping points are not added. I will fix this case too.

[airald]

I tested this feature going home. I make a route with some diversions I will not take to force cruiser to reroute. I see strange things like that, never seen before.

When Cruiser reroute and makes me go to the shaping point that was skipped for me, I select "skip next waypoint" and this happens.

[airald]

The problem is there are straight lines where there are not any street or path

This example there route is over the train station, you can see in this image

It's surprising that there's not any waypoint here.

[mkrezdo]

I had a chance to do a first short test this morning too. Also I had my problems with the new option.
I've no screenshot available but there where two points that were not good after I missed the route:

• after missing the route Cruiser recalculated it. When this was done the "start point" was set on the position were I missed the route. So the new route tried to turn and go back to this point to come back on the the original route. But it would be much faster to follow the actual street a few more meters and then leave it to go on a new way back to the nearest point of the old route
• seconed problem was that - after I ignored the request to drive back the rerouting stopped. It seems that it will only calculate a new rout once. If you miss the new route then again it will not do anything more.

[0709wiwiwi]

Are you sure you are using the latest beta b10 ?
#497 (comment)

[mkrezdo]

No I stilll hava the b8, but I'd no time to test before :-)

[devemux86]

@mkrezdo thanks for the report.

For routes without many points, better use the new tool to automatically add shaping points.
(available in the route menu in the latest Beta)

Then the rerouting will reroute to the next point and the remaining route will not change.

[devemux86]

I think the most safe solution is to not add this new rerouting mode.
Instead use the current rerouting with waypoints which has been stable all this time.

And with the new tool of adding automatically extra shaping points, there will be no problem:

• Fill route with shaping points with adjustable distance #499

[airald]

I always use many waypoints in my routes and If I use reroute it works good (usally I return to route by myself), I just was testing this new option.