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Hello, is there possibility to somehow turn off/on visual map elements, as such sidewalks? Not sure, if they could be used as a Layer of map, which would be optional? We touch this topic discussing Dark theme, but generally I would love to have ability to simplify a bit Map. Not sure, if that would help also performance of the app, when all of these wouldnt need to been rendered. But when I thought about it, currently in my opinion, map detail in cruiser is near "hiking level" of details (having all layers off).. It could be good for motor-vehicles profiles @cruiser, to be able restrict amount of visual elements shown on map? |
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@JimmyS83 Thanks for the suggestion. They are map elements, so their rendering can be controlled by the map theme. @MotoUKRider could put this or any map element as a map layer in the themes, Note: Map layer changes must be done the same way in all map themes: Motorider + Biker for VTM + Mapsforge. |
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In the profile (theme) I use, I moved all pedestrian walkways to zoom level 18. Since I have the maximum automatic zoom set to 17, I can only see the sidewalks after manually changing the zoom to 18. For me, this is a simple and convenient solution, without the need for an additional switch. |
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Thanks for the idea! I like it, tried it, and also suggest as improvement in Theme-related discussion.. |
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Turns out, that Layer separation is also Theme thing, which I didnt expect. Seeing positive reaction taking Walk/cycling details to the separate layer (to be able control them via different profiles differently, not only based on auto-zoom for all profiles), hopefully this would be also improved/offered to the users.. Discussion moved to the theme-topic |
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I have re-worked the current VTM themes of Biker/Light/Night to include a better road-core/casing system (this will make it easier to change colours/sizes en-masse) and the "Dark" theme backs-off the cycleway/footway/paths to zoom=16 at present. I am wondering what we can call the new Layer? It needs to be simple and obvious(!) There is also the issue of "buildings" which add to the "clutter" in a dark map whilst in the city. From a coding point of view, adding items to a Layer option is easy - deciding what to add and what to call the Layer, less so 😆 |
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From a coding point of view, adding items to a Layer option is easy - deciding what to add .. less so Exactly :) |
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At present, the "More road details" Layer displays the road-ref (aka: Garmin highway shield) boxes for Primary+Secondary Roads at zoom=12 and for Motorway+Trunk, one level earlier at 10+11 respectively. This was designed as a way to aid road recognition during planning - particularly on "Desktop". This could be the Layer to place the following objects: Therefore, we increase the It is worth remembering that we cannot override the tag-mapping rules - so Does this seem like an "obvious" approach and not something that'll cause confusion, eg: "How do I show the cycle path?" |
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If I would exclude traffic_signals from the set above, they seems to have some common denominator - not essentially needed for motor vehicle ride (higher speeds, roads). Traffic signals are used by some other navigation in less zoom as well, thats maybe the reason, why I understand them for motor vehicles (and also instructions, on traffic lights to the left helps in high densed / many crossroads areas...). If you would left them out if this group, it could be named, somehow to points to the keywords: "cycling" "pedestrian" "low speed" "non-motor" "detailed" .. So it will fit the object, and avoid mentioned confusion.. Didnt have suggestion so early morning :), but I will try to think about it, how to clever, shortly and aptly call that layer (need to check other existing layer names as well).. Is it possible to have pre-enabled this layer for some default profiles like Walk / Hike / Cycling? That would also prevent some confusion for users, as these would be essential for these profiles. But I am not sure if thats possible, or all layers are off by default on clean installations. |
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@MotoUKRider Primary focus in map theme development should be the Android platform. 🙂 |
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@JimmyS83 A Layer can be "pre-enabled" inside the XML so whenever you load the theme, it/them are always ticked regardless. There is also the possibility of a top-level Layer "dropdown menu" that creates a list of Layers to toggle. The "Elevate" theme has this - but the XML becomes quite complex. The App Profile is the best way to handle different driving/riding scenarios and map/routing configurations - I think a more elegant solution would be to include whatever Layers we agree on for a theme and then the App Profile remembers the Layer toggles each time you switch them - so you switch from a Car Profile that has "Fuel" and "Parking" enabled but then switch to "Walking" and it has "Off road" and "Mountain peaks" enabled. |
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Agree. Permanently ticked layers wouldnt make happy quite a few people, remembering for profiles would be better, with combination of "profile tailored" layers and profiles would make map visually optimal per profile use-cases, and still preserve great customisability 👍 |
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This idea is related to the 2nd part of the thread topic, so I'll post here and see how we go... In the previous (v3/v4) Cruiser, the 3D theme included a "Vegetation" Layer which turned off "the green stuff". Following a ride today, I am wondering if a return of that Layer would be useful to aid map contrast? It would be enabled by default so that the normal "Browse" map view is unchanged - but you have the option of turning off If you ride in a rural area, perhaps with lots of single-track I'm thinking that, whatever theme you use, the level of detail can be toggled to allow for full-detailed browsing of land features, buildings, shops etc but also be scaled-down (via the Layers menu) so that clear road (or off-road) outlines can take priority. |
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@MotoUKRider Very nice reminder! 👍 Another reason was to help performance in some countries with many / heavy nature polygons. So I think this layer should come back. And also in Mapsforge map themes. @MotoUKRider you can check here the commit where this was removed and see what tags we used. |
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@devemux86 Well, that was quite easy - (re) added to Biker+Light VTM themes and I'll work on the Mapsforge ones later. I don't think I've entirely forgotten the Mapsforge syntax as I've made some POI caption fixes since the last revision 😄 So, the next theme updates will be: Vegetation Layer (enabled by default), POI caption/colour corrections and (for VTM Dark only) minor road detail items (bollards/gates/pavement/cycleway etc) in "More road details" Layer as a sandpit/test. |
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Progress, not perfection...
The VTM themes were also missing the green "protected" area hatched-pattern - this has now been restored in Biker+Light. I just need to check for behaviour/rule alignment across all XML theme files as I'm still finding silly mis-matches (eg: ferry lines) so fixing small things as I scroll through the file... Notepad++ has never had so many tabs open 🗒️ 🤷 |
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@MotoUKRider Please remember: we do not use patterns in OpenGL, only filled colors! |
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@devemux86 Of course, silly me. Reverted to the old area fill, with transparency:
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@MotoUKRider @JimmyS83 Is there still work to be done in map themes here? |
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@devemux86 There's been no feedback on the "Dark" theme which has the temporary "More road details" Layer modification. From my perspective, I find it useful not to see highlighted cycleways and footpaths when at zoom=16 but I prefer my "yellow/universal" theme for navigation as it offers this by default. ❓ QUESTION FOR ANY/ALL USERS ❓ At present, these mods cause the theme to be out of alignment with the Biker+Light themes, making it unsuitable for merging into Cruiser (which I think @devemux86 might be considering). The Layer can be enabled by default, if there's interest - so the map features remain unchanged unless you toggle it off. |
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The "More road details" currently only shows more labels, right? |
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"QUESTION FOR ANY/ALL USERS" |
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Let's try to agree on something otherwise the Dark theme will remain "out of sync" with the main themes and if there's a chance of it being incorporated into Cruiser, we need to either remove this temporary Layer feature or finalize it and apply the changes to the other themes. Similar to what I wrote further up this thread, I propose we rename the "More road details" Layer to In short, this will remove some close-in features until zoom 17/18 by default. If you think this is a good move, please like/respond - and include your local translation of "More map detail" if you want to save me a bit of time 🤡 🗣️ |
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German (DE) translation = "Weitere Kartendetails" (or "Zusätzliche Kartendetails" when we mean "additional" details). |
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@devemux86 "Smaller road categories" - do you actually mean "features"? (like paths)? I know that I don't care for pavements and cycleways when I'm in the car or on the motorcycle. The idea builds on one of my earlier comments about using the "Layers" to control map detail/features based upon your current activity rather than 17 different XML themes 😄 Given that we've only had 1 request+1 comment on this (I am not counting me, who also likes the idea) I wanted to get something worked out if only to get the "Dark" theme in-line with the current structure (or the others matching this). |
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@MotoUKRider I mean the extra road tags you mentioned:
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So they will be visible at larger zoom levels, even with the layer off, right? |
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@devemux86 Yes, with the Layer enabled, we are simply making them appear earlier (within the limitations of tag-mapping). The default is "off", so those details are relaxed until 17/18. |
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CZ - "Více detailů v mapě" |
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@MotoUKRider Many thanks for your work! 👍 |
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@MotoUKRider Many thanks for your work! 👍