Validation Guide Sec. 9.2 — smoke concentration (Fig. 9.49) vs. obscuration (Fig. 9.51) summary plots #16296
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Usually we predict whatever the experimentalist has measured and reported. I'll have to check, but for smoke, sometimes the measurement pathlength is short so that one can talk about a single concentration over that distance. In other cases, the pathlength is longer in which case we prefer to mimic what was done in the experiment. I have not thought about what you have observed, although I get you point that it would be better distinguish what the code is predicting well and what it is not. Trouble is, one cannot do this with the experimental data. Usually the experimentalist uses some mass extinction coefficient to convert from obscuration to concentration. Ideally, it would be nice to have a direct measurement of particular concentration. |
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I will create an issue from this discussion thread. I'll add Jason Floyd to the issue as well as myself. He is the one who worked with the FM data. |
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Hi all,
I've been working through Section 9.2 Smoke of the Validation Guide and wanted to raise a question about the two smoke summary scatter plots — partly to make sure I'm reading them correctly.
Figure 9.49 ("Summary of smoke concentration predictions") reports mass concentration in mg/m³ and combines the NIST/NRC and FM/FPRF Datacenter datasets, with a Model Bias Factor of 2.46. Figure 9.51 ("Summary of smoke obscuration predictions") reports obscuration in %/m for the FAA Cargo Compartments dataset, with a Bias Factor of 1.02. Both figures for reference:
Looking at the experiment data files, all three datasets appear to be based on optical (light-extinction) measurements — the FAA experiment files use LT_* channels in %/m, NIST/NRC has a "Smoke Conc." channel from a laser extinction photometer, and the FM/FPRF data center work also relies on a laser signal. Mass concentration and extinction are linked through$K = K_m · c$ , so for a single sample they're essentially interchangeable.
My concern is that the way the two summary plots are set up can leave a reader with the impression that "mass concentration is hard to predict, optical extinction is easy" — when the actual finding (Sec. 9.2.3) is that FDS overpredicts smoke in the closed-door NIST/NRC tests because agglomeration and wall deposition aren't modeled. That's an error in the transported soot inventory, and it would show up under either unit. The two figures differ in two ways at once — the reported quantity and the experiment set — so the unit and the physics end up confounded.
A couple of questions:
Happy to be corrected if I've misunderstood the intent here. Thanks for all the work on the Guide.
Best regards,
Manuel
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