🔴 = Make the project AGPL - Protect the Open Source

[Zaptosis]

If the goal is keeping it free (as in freedom) forever, then MIT provides inadequate protection to that end.

The work done here can be taken & repackaged into proprietary projects by the very big tech entities this project is trying to protect people from.

MIT & all other permissive licenses are cancer to the open source ecosystem. Systemically promoted by large tech companies to diminish the popularity of the copyleft licenses that contributed to making the internet of the 2000's into the bastion for freedom that it was.

AGPL & copyleft in general fixes this by requiring distributors make the source code available to users, ensuring that people cannot take from open source without sharing the open source.

Copyleft licenses are protective not restrictive, the only thing it restricts is one's ability to take peoples freedom away. Its a choice you can make that signals you care about protecting the freedom of users & the enduring openness of the code.

Finally AGPL closes a loophole found in regular GPL where companies argue they haven't distributed code to users if they provide its functionality over the internet. AGPL is one of the most powerful tools in the fight against a closed internet.

Stop using MIT & other freedom eroding licenses & switch to the beautiful world of copyleft.

Great video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzmNA2iySEs

[xMedusa]

I agree completely, AGPL is more in line with the values PewDiePie spoke of in his video. It is without doubt a more fitting license for an anti-big tech alternative.

[epicnuel]

I largely think the nature of the project as a "fun" and "messy" ai generated thing means that using agpl would not make much sense, a self hosted agent is not something "big tech" would eye on, there's largely zero business incentive to use a project like this.

it heavily depends on where the projects direction wants to go, does it want to remain a fun project or become something serious and ambitious while pretending its still a tinker project?

[Zaptosis]

So you're saying that because its most likely a big tech company wouldn't use the code that an open source project shouldn't use AGPL?

Would you also say the same thing about Linux when it was first made, that its just a fun & messy project for tinkers? Surely no one will use it?

Lets even assume you're correct, no big company will ever use this code. If that is the case then what harm is done by using an AGPL license? Its like saying not to lock your door because no one is going to break in.

[TailScaleRouter]

After reading this I decided to briefly look into the differences between MIT and copyleft, just a quick AI summary. But damn MIT sucks! I just thought all open source code you had to keep it open. The license you mentioned is wayyyy better

I would 100% support this if they are legally allowed to change it.

[Zaptosis]

From my understanding of it, it would be legal to re-licence to a more protective license like AGPL

[InMyMind1]

Here here! I second this! Kom igen Felix!

[erikLundstedt]

as far as I know, this would require everyone who have contributed to the project to agree to the license change, which may also include parts of other projects where parts have been "borrowed" from (see the licenses directory)

I myself use a "more readable than" rewrite of the GPLv2 (same as linux itself) for all of my projects, and have been for a coupple years https://opensource.org/license/SimPL-2.0, so I am all-for switching to a GPL

my projects are on gitlab BTW.

not a lawyer, not legal advice.

lycka till, Felix!

[Zaptosis]

Yeah thats certainly a common criticism of any GPL derivative, personally I think AGPL would be needed here unless there is a readable rewrite of GPL that closes the network service provider loop hole, because AI services are a very network facing product. So not closing that would nullify the GPL protection for users.

However in terms of the legal issues, MIT licensed code can be used for AGPL or any other project, the permissiveness of MIT is extremely broad which is its biggest strength in cases like this but also its greatest weakness when it comes to protecting the aforementioned openness of a project.

Though I wouldn't worry about this, projects changing licenses happens frequently in both directions. Depending on the situation, it can crates some complexities but this wouldn't be one of those cases, but you're right to worry, this is something thats better done sooner then later. Its still incredibly new & now is the perfect time to swap out the license.

Also thanks for linking SimPL, just read it & its nice seeing the principles put so concisely. Personally I don't mind the long license because I know its the same thing being accomplished even if the text is just longer, but yeah they totally could have done a better job making it "tighter". Just a shame the bloated license became the standard for the anti-bloat community lol

[n2b12]

As a contributor I'd like to proactively express my agreement to license change to AGPL.

[Frty111]

@pewdiepie-archdaemon hey, look at his post. urgent take AGPL. Study about it. what's MIT? what's GLP? what's GNU? what's copyright? what's copyleft? what's Permissive license? what's General Public License?

[undergroundrap]

Strongly seconding this! I use AGPL-3.0 for all my personal public repos to protect the code, and I think it would be a perfect fit for this project's goals.

[ThingsCouldGetDicey]

looks like this just got changed

[Zaptosis]

On this day the entire AI industry changes again!!

Odysseus's future just went from that of the AI equivalent of MINIX to the AI equivalent of Linux!!

As Odysseus grows, more & more users of AI will be set free from the shackles of a closed internet & now big tech will never be able to use their tools against them! The true power of Odysseus has been unleashed!

[ThingsCouldGetDicey]

On this day the entire AI industry changes again!!

Odysseus's future just went from that of the AI equivalent of MINIX to the AI equivalent of Linux!!

As Odysseus grows, more & more users of AI will be set free from the shackles of a closed internet & now big tech will never be able to use their tools against them! The true power of Odysseus has been unleashed!

i still think the name should change because it reminds people of a trojan horse.

and it needs better memory capabilities. but its a good start. it also needs app image for linux.