Add fused FP8 rowwise scale+cast kernel for MoE forward pass#3973
Add fused FP8 rowwise scale+cast kernel for MoE forward pass#3973lizamd wants to merge 8 commits intopytorch:mainfrom
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Looks great @lizamd thanks for adding this - I'll take a closer look tomorrow, btw there's a linter issue you'll need to fix, try making sure
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| @triton.autotune(configs=fused_2d_kernel_configs, key=["K"]) | ||
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| def _triton_fp8_rowwise_2d_fused_scale_and_cast_kernel( |
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Looks reasonable. Please add (1) a unit test comparing to pytorch reference impl, in ~/ao/test/prototype/moe_training somewhere, and (2) a microbenchmark comparing to torch.compile performance in ~/ao/benchmarks/prototype/moe_training somewhere. for the benchmark, please copy/paste one of the existing kernel microbenchmark scripts in that dir to get started, we use the same consistent structure / benchmarking scaffold code
we should always add unit tests and microbenchmarks for every kernel we add.
| # --- Column 2: 3-kernel sequence inside a compiled graph with an opaque boundary. | ||
| # Simulates the actual MoE forward pass: torch.compile cannot fuse across the | ||
| # tensor_to_scale call because it's treated as an opaque custom op, leaving | ||
| # 3 separate kernel launches — exactly what the fused kernel replaces in practice. | ||
| def run_compiled_graph_unfused(A: torch.Tensor): |
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why do you want to measure this? seems like "torch.compile of torch native impl with fullgraph=True" versus "triton kernel" is the only comparison we need
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torch.compile of the isolated 3-kernel sequence is the best-case scenario for the unfused path — the compiler sees only those 3 ops and can fuse them freely. But in actual MoE training, triton_fp8_rowwise_2d_scale_and_cast is called as a custom_op inside a much larger compiled graph (see fp8_grouped_mm.py). In that context, torch.compile also sees tensor_to_scale as opaque (it goes through its own dispatch path), so the 3 kernels remain separate launches. The compile+opaque column simulates this by wrapping tensor_to_scale with torch.compiler.disable, which is closer to what the compiler actually sees during training. The compile-isolated column is still included for reference, but the speedup that matters for this PR is triton vs compile+opaque.
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But in actual MoE training, triton_fp8_rowwise_2d_scale_and_cast is called as a custom_op inside a much larger compiled graph (see fp8_grouped_mm.py). In that context, torch.compile also sees tensor_to_scale as opaque (it goes through its own dispatch path)
If we are using the triton kernel wrapped in a custom op, tensor_to_scale won't be opaque/untraceable, it will just not be used at all.
And in the torch native implementation when we do use tensor_to_scale, it will not be opaque, it will be traceable, and torch.compile definitely can do operator fusion across this boundary.
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Thanks for the review — this is a good point and worth clarifying. You're correct that in the forward pass, However, it accurately represents the backward pass. In grad_output_scales = tensor_to_scale(grad_output, ...) # kernel 1
grad_output_scaled = grad_output.to(torch.float32) * grad_output_scales # kernel 2
grad_output_data_row_major = to_fp8_saturated(grad_output_scaled, ...) # kernel 3Because this runs inside The Applying the fused kernel to |
Thanks @lizamd, this is actually not true though - torch.compile does trace through the backward pass via AOTAutograd, produces graphs, which inductor codegens into Triton kernels. Please let me know if I have misunderstood your comment. |
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You're right, thanks for the correction. I've simplified the benchmark to just torch.compile vs triton as you suggested — removed the compile+opaque column entirely. Updated in 2d97f7e. |
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@lizamd ok great! please rebase on main to resolve merge conflicts, then we can land |
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Rebased on main, conflicts resolved. Ready for landing. |
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@lizamd ruff lint issue to fix before landing |
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| # Main driver: spawn one subprocess per config. |
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can you clarify we are doing this, instead of just running the autotuner and letting it cache the best config?
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@lizamd please fix ruff/lint error and remove this multi-process benchmarking approach, stick with the standard benchmarking method done in other files
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Add a third benchmark column that wraps tensor_to_scale with torch.compiler.disable, making it opaque inside a compiled graph. This simulates the actual MoE training context where torch.compile cannot fuse across the tensor_to_scale boundary, leaving 3 separate kernel launches — exactly what triton_fp8_rowwise_2d_scale_and_cast replaces. The 'speedup vs opaque' column shows the real-world benefit. Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.6 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Remove the compile+opaque column per reviewer feedback. The correct baseline is torch.compile of the native 3-op sequence (tensor_to_scale + multiply + to_fp8_saturated) with fullgraph optimization, compared directly against the fused triton kernel. Co-Authored-By: Claude Sonnet 4.6 <noreply@anthropic.com>
list[...] as a generic type requires Python 3.10+. Use List from typing to support Python 3.9. Co-Authored-By: Claude Sonnet 4.6 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Co-Authored-By: Claude Sonnet 4.6 <noreply@anthropic.com>
…sync overhead Three fixes for running FP8 MoE training on AMD MI300X: 1. Add FP8GroupedMMConfig alias in config.py torchtitan uses the old name from the Feb 2026 refactor (commit 4a42d32). Add a backward-compat alias so training doesn't crash on import. 2. Disable token group padding for FP8 on AMD (utils.py) fused_pad_token_groups_cuda is not available on ROCm, so pad_token_groups() falls back to torch_pad_token_groups which does a D2H sync (group_sizes.tolist()) that breaks torch.compile. FP8 grouped GEMM doesn't require 16-alignment padding the way MXFP8 requires 32-alignment, so pass pad_token_groups_for_grouped_mm=False. 3. Use single fixed Triton config on AMD (jagged_float8_scales.py) Multiple autotune configs trigger hipDeviceSynchronize for every unique (K, N_GROUPS) shape seen during training. With ~33 unique shapes per step, 3 configs = 100 D2H syncs/step that dominate the entire backward pass. Fix: use one fixed config (BLOCK_SIZE=128, BLOCK_SIZE_ITER=128, num_warps=8) for all three AMD kernels (rowwise, colwise, dual colwise). This eliminates all autotuning overhead at the cost of not finding potentially better configs for each shape — an acceptable tradeoff on MI300X where the overhead cost far exceeds any per-shape tuning benefit. Co-Authored-By: Claude Sonnet 4.6 <noreply@anthropic.com>
Sweep BLOCK_SIZE x BLOCK_SIZE_ITER x num_warps on representative DeepSeek-MoE-16B backward shapes (M=16640, K=2048/5120, E=64/128). Previous fixed config (BS=128, BSI=128, warps=8) was chosen by reasoning, not measurement. Benchmark shows it's 2-3x slower than the optimum. Results (MI300X, float8_e4m3fnuz): K=2048 E=64: 128/32/8 best (200 us vs 573 us old = 2.9x) K=5120 E=64: 32/128/4 best (492 us vs 1339 us old = 2.7x) K=2048 E=128: 32/32/8 best (217 us vs 417 us old = 1.9x) K=5120 E=128: 64/32/8 best (486 us vs 1005 us old = 2.1x) Best single compromise across all shapes: BS=32, BSI=128, num_warps=4 (geomean closest to per-shape optima). Also add bench_colwise_block_configs.py sweep benchmark. Co-Authored-By: Claude Sonnet 4.6 <noreply@anthropic.com>
… approach Rewrites bench_colwise_block_configs.py to use triton.testing.do_bench directly instead of spawning subprocesses per config, following the standard pattern used in other benchmarks in this directory. Co-Authored-By: Claude Sonnet 4.6 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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Summary
Follow-up to #3972 (which builds on #3952). Adds a fused Triton kernel for the forward pass of
_Float8GroupedMM.The fused kernel (
triton_fp8_rowwise_2d_scale_and_cast) replaces the 3-kernel sequence in the forward pass:tensor_to_scale(A, axiswise_dim=-1)— computes per-row absmax and scaleA_scaled = A.to(float32) * A_scales— applies scaleA_fp8 = to_fp8_saturated(A_scaled, fp8_dtype)— clamps and casts to FP8The fused kernel performs per-row absmax and FP8 cast in a single kernel launch with two passes, benefiting from L2 cache reuse on the second pass.
Depends on #3972.
Benchmarks
End-to-end training with torchtitan on 8x MI300X with DeepSeek-MoE-16B (EP=8, batch=4, seq_len=4096, torch.compile enabled):
This PR provides an additional ~15% throughput improvement on top of #3972.
Test plan
pytest test/prototype/moe_training/ -v🤖 Generated with Claude Code