Android app project

We are at early stages of developing an android application for diaspora. Our first meeting to be at #diaspune on FreeNode, this Sunday 24th July at 9.30 PM IST/9.00 AM PST

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[2011-07-24 21:40:04]  stultus where is subin/?
[2011-07-24 21:40:08]  rajiv_nair: what do you think what kind of api we want?.. 
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[2011-07-24 21:40:36]  rajiv_nair: I was talking with ashik and we both thought restful API's similar to the Facebook or twitter will be great
[2011-07-24 21:40:42]  every please share your thoughts
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[2011-07-24 21:41:47] =-= Topic for #diaspune is ``Ruby on Rails Workshop on Saturday | http://www.meetup.com/Diaspora/Pune/288201/''
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[2011-07-24 21:42:45]  ping.. did i miss anything?
[2011-07-24 21:43:20]  vasudev, no
[2011-07-24 21:43:36]  so what do you guys have to say about restful api's?
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[2011-07-24 21:45:20] * vasudev wonders if every one is still arround
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[2011-07-24 21:46:47] * j4v4m4n_mobile doesn/lt know what is a restful api, is it normal http get, put etc?
[2011-07-24 21:47:08]  j4v4m4n_mobile: yes just by doing http get post put delete
[2011-07-24 21:47:18]  we can do what we exactly want
[2011-07-24 21:47:32]  response can be in json or in xml but most time i prefer json
[2011-07-24 21:48:02]  response means the data which is sent back by diaspora
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[2011-07-24 21:48:33]  we may not need data all the time but for some operations like getting profile information getting feeds from your followers 
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[2011-07-24 21:48:43]  woot ilyaZ joined us
[2011-07-24 21:48:44]  hey everyone sorry for the lateness
[2011-07-24 21:48:46]  ilyaZ: hello
[2011-07-24 21:48:51]  ilyaZ, hellozz :)
[2011-07-24 21:48:56]  ilyaZ, hey
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[2011-07-24 21:49:12]  rajiv_nair: ping
[2011-07-24 21:49:20]  (timezones just trolled me)
[2011-07-24 21:49:22]  ilyaz heya
[2011-07-24 21:49:27]  hey j4v4m4n_mobile
[2011-07-24 21:49:38]  hey vasudev stultus abdulkarim
[2011-07-24 21:50:26]  sorry did I miss anything?
[2011-07-24 21:51:17]  ilyaZ: nothing much I was just explaining restful api stuff which is provided by facebook and twitter
[2011-07-24 21:51:37]  ilyaZ: i think diaspora should also have similar api's but I'm waiting for others suggestions
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[2011-07-24 21:52:40]  vasudev, in some ways the rails makes it super easy to have the same api be the same as your controller actions
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[2011-07-24 21:53:50]  ilyaZ: novice in rails but yeah i remember a friend mentioning its easy to provide api's using rails
[2011-07-24 21:54:30]  we were at first talking about doing that, but we talked to sarah and she had a good  point (that by not making it just the same routes, the api can scale differently than the app)
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[2011-07-24 21:55:18]  also that way we can version the api
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[2011-07-24 21:56:01]  ilyaZ: so you are not using rails method to provide api's?
[2011-07-24 21:56:28]  because we need them to be at different actions
[2011-07-24 21:56:53]  right now "api/v0" is where the api methods should go
[2011-07-24 21:56:57]  ilyaZ: oh
[2011-07-24 21:57:24]  ilyaZ: api's are available already?
[2011-07-24 21:58:15]  not really, as praveen mentioned earlier we're agile about it
[2011-07-24 21:58:26]  i.e. we build apis as they are needed
[2011-07-24 21:58:46]  ilyaZ: oh okay..
[2011-07-24 21:59:02]  ilyaZ: how about API's for authentication.. is it OAuth based?
[2011-07-24 21:59:45]  first step for android app is authentication so I think that is the first API's which we need right?
[2011-07-24 21:59:53] * vasudev wonders why no one is talking!!
[2011-07-24 22:00:10]  rajiv_nair: j4v4m4n_mobile ping
[2011-07-24 22:01:08]  we have OAuth built in, we do a distributed authentication thing for cubbi.es (automatically does oauth preregistration)
[2011-07-24 22:02:51]  ilyaZ: so what is the procedure for authenticating apps with diaspora?
[2011-07-24 22:03:09]  hmm.. I think the first step to do something easy/ not distributed
[2011-07-24 22:03:31]  (i.e. a user would have to do something to register the client application on their own pod)
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[2011-07-24 22:03:46]  ilyaZ: we are directly getting access token for cubbi.es so this is what you meant by preregistration
[2011-07-24 22:03:50]  sorry, my mobile got switched off :(
[2011-07-24 22:04:13]  j4v4m4n no issues :) reached home?
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[2011-07-24 22:04:43]  grippi: heya
[2011-07-24 22:04:56]  vasudev: yup
[2011-07-24 22:04:57]  Ciao
[2011-07-24 22:04:57]  grippi: heya
[2011-07-24 22:04:57]  so when you usually do oauth, you go to dev.twitter.com and get application id & secret
[2011-07-24 22:05:08]  ilyaZ: yeah
[2011-07-24 22:06:14]  ilyaZ: but when it comes to diaspora things are different right because we have different pods!
[2011-07-24 22:06:15]  so for apps (at least web apps we automate this preregistration by using keypairs)
[2011-07-24 22:06:23]  vasudev, yeah
[2011-07-24 22:07:01]  ilyaZ: but if we wanted to change access token then?
[2011-07-24 22:07:17]  like in twitter its possible to reset tokens is it possible with preregistration ?
[2011-07-24 22:07:32]  Yeah
[2011-07-24 22:07:33]  vasudev, you can still reset tokens
[2011-07-24 22:07:39]  oh okay
[2011-07-24 22:07:57]  Pre-registration is pretty removed from the oauth 2 flow
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[2011-07-24 22:08:23]  It's just really a check before we perform oauth
[2011-07-24 22:08:46]  so when we develop android app I think distributed nature should be given to client side right.. I mean user can select pod from settings before authenticating
[2011-07-24 22:09:02]  Yeah, exactly
[2011-07-24 22:09:10]  if not selecting he can enter pod url in the app settings that way things will be simpler to implement on server side
[2011-07-24 22:09:27]  What we should do is have the user just sign in using their diaspora id
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[2011-07-24 22:09:50]  yeah.. we can get pod url from their diaspora id itself
[2011-07-24 22:10:04]  username @ pod_url
[2011-07-24 22:10:12]  I think the app should just generate a keypair on boot
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[2011-07-24 22:10:36]  We don't need to set a server if someone supplies their entire nick/domain
[2011-07-24 22:10:36]  and then use diaspora-connect flow
[2011-07-24 22:10:36]  Right
[2011-07-24 22:10:39]  (Sorry if I'm slow to type, I'm on a phone)
[2011-07-24 22:10:54]  ilyaZ: key pair means token key and token secrets?
[2011-07-24 22:11:07]  vasudev, nope an RSA key pair
[2011-07-24 22:11:18]  one sec
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[2011-07-24 22:11:38]  https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora-client this is the ruby lib that cubbi.es uses to authenticate
[2011-07-24 22:11:44]  vasudev: It's very similar to how browser extensions have keys
[2011-07-24 22:12:05]  At least with chrome extensions...
[2011-07-24 22:13:05]  grippi: i never went through code ;) i blindly used your chrome code in Firefox extension
[2011-07-24 22:13:24]  An application uses a key-pair to sign an well-defined authorization challenge.
[2011-07-24 22:13:25]  A Diaspora pod fetches the application's manifest and the public key for that application.
[2011-07-24 22:13:25]  The pod checks the signature for that manifest and the authorization request.
[2011-07-24 22:13:25]  The application's registration credentials are returned to the application (assuming everything checks out).
[2011-07-24 22:13:46]  grippi: can you share latest code of firefox extension?. there is still some issue with twitter infinite scroll 
[2011-07-24 22:14:15]  this is instead of going to dev.twitter.com (because an app developer can't regester at every pod)
[2011-07-24 22:14:36]  All the code for it is on the FF addons site
[2011-07-24 22:14:36]  (+ pods they don't know about)
[2011-07-24 22:14:54]  ilyaZ: oh
[2011-07-24 22:15:15]  grippi: okay I'll update my repo once I've a Linux laptop 
[2011-07-24 22:15:35]  ilyaZ: so this flow is bit different compared to normal Oauth right?
[2011-07-24 22:15:38]  vasudev: It shouldn't be messing up twitter...
[2011-07-24 22:15:44]  vasudev: Kk
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[2011-07-24 22:15:59]  vasudev, after the pre-registration its regular oauth 2 from there
[2011-07-24 22:16:50]  so instead of getting key and secret from pod we use key pair instead to sign the authorization challenge and rest of the flow remains same right?
[2011-07-24 22:17:13]  and this should happen only once when the app is to be authorized with a pod right?
[2011-07-24 22:17:59]  one sec
[2011-07-24 22:18:25]  okay
[2011-07-24 22:18:36] * vasudev is getting confused with preregistration stuff
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[2011-07-24 22:19:27]  so pre-registration is equivalent to going to dev.twitter.com
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[2011-07-24 22:20:30] * napster sorry for being late!
[2011-07-24 22:20:37]  napster, np
[2011-07-24 22:21:07]  What is the plan? Just an android client like one for facebook?
[2011-07-24 22:21:13]  so when app sends the authorization challenge signed with keypair what is returned to it?
[2011-07-24 22:21:30]  vasudev, I need to go check out of the hotel, I'll be back in 15 mins
[2011-07-24 22:21:39]  ilyaZ: sure np
[2011-07-24 22:21:45]  brb
[2011-07-24 22:21:56] * vasudev want to have a look normal oauth flow again :)
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[2011-07-24 22:22:07]  napster: yes
[2011-07-24 22:22:15]  napster, yes
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[2011-07-24 22:22:31]  napster: vasudev was discussing authentication flow for the app
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[2011-07-24 22:22:48]  napster, any other idea in your mind?
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[2011-07-24 22:23:25]  back
[2011-07-24 22:23:42]  j4v4m4n: I had another idea, since everyone keeps their android phone up and online all over the time, what about setting up pods of their own on their mobiles?
[2011-07-24 22:24:16]  the data goes nowhere but stays back on their devices...
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[2011-07-24 22:26:14]  napster: that will have more challenges, but that can be a separate project
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[2011-07-24 22:27:59]  j4v4m4n: more challenges : yes
[2011-07-24 22:28:29]  napster, that sounds like FreedomBox :)
[2011-07-24 22:30:10]  abdulkarim: I guess this idea will serve the entire idea behind Diaspora...
[2011-07-24 22:31:02]  abdulkarim: freedomebox : yes, a sort of
[2011-07-24 22:31:27]  napster: lets try that in parallel to our regular android app
[2011-07-24 22:31:33]  j4v4m4n: ok
[2011-07-24 22:32:02]  napster: you understand it would take us to reimplment the whole diaspora :( , right?
[2011-07-24 22:32:35]  j4v4m4n: need to think more...
[2011-07-24 22:33:11]  not sure
[2011-07-24 22:33:39]  napster: what were in your mind?
[2011-07-24 22:33:57]  napster: get ruby on rails on android?
[2011-07-24 22:34:11]  j4v4m4n: http://andrewgertig.com/2010/07/android-and-ruby-on-rails/
[2011-07-24 22:34:44]  this is not completly related thing
[2011-07-24 22:34:51]  oh, shit
[2011-07-24 22:35:03]  My bouncer didn't log...
[2011-07-24 22:35:08]  but, I guess, to do it we might need ROR on android
[2011-07-24 22:37:13]  now why do we need to run it on a android phone?
[2011-07-24 22:37:36]  when there are pods and a diaspora client for mobile phones I think that is more than sufficient right?
[2011-07-24 22:37:43]  why to complicate things
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[2011-07-24 22:37:45]  vasudev: post the log on the wiki
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[2011-07-24 22:38:01]  grippi in multiple instances :)
[2011-07-24 22:38:09]  j4v4m4n: please link me
[2011-07-24 22:38:32]  Is my chat client going crazy right now?
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[2011-07-24 22:38:48]  vasudev: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/wiki/Android-app-project
[2011-07-24 22:39:18]  j4v4m4n: i will be around may be 15-20 mins more then i'll leave as I've got office tomorrow :(
[2011-07-24 22:39:46]  vasudev: if you can post the log, may be napster can take it from here
[2011-07-24 22:40:08]  j4v4m4n: yeah i'm doing that now
[2011-07-24 22:40:15]  vasudev: thanks
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[2011-07-24 22:40:34]  j4v4m4n: no issues
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[2011-07-24 22:40:53]  grippi: we saw you entering room multiple times :) but now only one instance is there
[2011-07-24 22:41:03]  K phew
[2011-07-24 22:41:35]  grippi: iPhone or Android ?
[2011-07-24 22:43:34]  j4v4m4n: What are the expected funtionalioties apart from a normal facebook like client?
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[2011-07-24 22:43:58]  back
[2011-07-24 22:44:04]  hi ilyaZ :)
[2011-07-24 22:44:16]  hey DenSchub
[2011-07-24 22:44:44]  vasudev, are you still here?
[2011-07-24 22:44:49]  ilyaZ: welcome back 
[2011-07-24 22:44:53]  ilyaZ: yeah :)
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[2011-07-24 22:47:20]  napster: post and read messages, view and share pictures, share links from browser - normal facebook client functionality
[2011-07-24 22:47:55]  ilyaZ: Shravan was supposed to join, but he is down with fever :(
[2011-07-24 22:48:21]  yeah, photos are the awesome thing
[2011-07-24 22:48:31]  j4v4m4n: chatzilla is not allowing me to open log when its in running mode