[PROPOSAL] Resource Utilities #5690
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I think adding more utility to these items is very important, something I've brought up several times. I do feel like they should be organic and not necessarily being input into places where they don't make sense. I'm not saying these do or don't make sense, but I just want to make sure they do. When I hear oil drill, I don't necessarily think leather applies. |
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Definitely - we should include this in the trap section 😅 Adding items that don't make sense. The leather on the tools was inspired by leather grips that are often found on the handles. |
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branch of games that use the resources produced in the game as an RPG game, war game, etc... for example, collectible exploration cards, creating potions and different items to explore the forest in search of something like animal or mineral cards in caves or exploration on the high seas for historical sea monsters. The potions can have different types of uses and new ones can be easily created, such as luck, stamina, life, intelligence, strength, each one increasing the chance of getting a specific group of cards and the chance of increasing the rarity according to how old and well equipped you are for that exploration, common, uncommon, rare, epic potions can be made, etc. each one will increase or define the rarity level of the card, for example, common, epic, legendary, etc... allows you to create a sticker album to show your friends all your incredible cards when they visit you. things that make your farm's production more productive |
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Thanks @bichobravo for the feedback! Some interesting ideas 👌 Could you provide some examples how we could make this replay-able? For instance, once a player maxes out or unlocks everything how would they continue burning the resources. |
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Exploration clothing has a chance of being worn out on each expedition, for example a 5% chance of losing 20% of its integrity. When it reaches zero it will have to be repaired like wool, leather, etc. Potions are optional and single-use, for example broccoli extract to increase strength or chili powder for more agility, with different levels of rarity according to the amount of resource needed to be created. |
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If there was no Green Amulet, players wouldn't have so many junk resources lying around. |
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Suggestion: Resource Recycling Building to Combat Surpluses in the Economy Most successful games have recycling systems that allow players to burn excess items in exchange for something potentially more valuable. In Sunflower Land, we had the Goblin Exchange (GE) filling this role, but it was removed due to impact of emitting more $FLOWER. Here's an idea I’d like to propose: a new building (either public or individually built by each player) where we could deposit, for example, 200 crops of a specific tier (basic, medium, advanced) and receive back fewer units (maybe 50) of another crop (excluding the one deposited), or other types of rewards such as seeds, gems, cosmetics, etc. Public vs. Private Building: PROS AND CONS Private Building: Requires resources to build, but gives better rewards, adds long-term utility and gives players a reason to progress and spend resources trying to meet the criteria to discover the building. Public Building: Available to everyone, encouraging broader usage and more burning, but with more limited or less powerful rewards. The building could also have a cooldown system, with improved rewards and reduced cooldown as the building levels up (e.g., Level 1 in Petal Paradise, Level 2 in Desert Island, Level 3 in Volcano). This would incentivize progression and island upgrades. Key Concept: You could even add ultra-rare exclusive rewards with a very low drop rate as an extra incentive. Of course, the numbers and mechanics can be balanced later. If you're interested, I can prepare a more detailed proposal or prototype. There are also many variants to explore: Letting players recycle a combination of multiple resources, not just one. The resource eligible for recycling could change daily, and be unique per player. This is just the starting point... ’d love to hear your thoughts and iterate from here if you're interested! |
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Thanks @Rojankhzxr for the idea 💪 The ability to exchange X resources for Y resources is definitely something players would desire. A few challenges (I hope you can help with).
Is there a system where specific resources could always be involved for the exchange? |
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update food and recipe balance, today milk is exchanged directly for gems, cheese is completely broken, it is slowly destroying the economy, it should not be possible to buy resources with gems in the game |
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Thanks @bichobravo Milk is an interesting one that gives a lot of experience. Could you elaborate on food + recipe balance 🙏 We've got a lot of recipes already and hopefully we want to simplify this system |
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weekly bumpkin wishes for some food that has not been consumed for a long time with double xp or with a variable xp multiplier similar to factions, or a weekly giant soup that uses different ingredients each week where it is distributed proportionally to donations made |
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There could be a rotating weekly recipe that gets bonus XP (maybe not a ton, but just enough to be appealing...maybe it could scale by percentage of level to appeal to everyone versus one level group?). Newer recipes added every couple months could be sourced by community contests for ideas and art. Tweaking the rotating weekly recipe thought, maybe a mystery recipe versus an existing one so the crop requirement could be whatever you would want it to be. Not refined ideas, just off the top of my head if anyone wants to modify and/or expand. I saw someone suggest the Woodlands becoming a "country fair" -- you could have a game similar to the potion house except instead of using potions, it could be crop combinations and they could be burnt for each guess to receive Fair Tickets (under the idea that the potion house could possibly be grouped into the fair of mini-games). |
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Part of introducing new plants is to introduce direct consumption recipes for them. This needs to be a tenet of game design going forward, and needs to be addressed for existing underserved crops as well. |
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Definitely @brian-man Do you have any ideas how this could be achieved without just adding extra recipes or alternating others. When we add more recipes, we undermine the utility of the other recipes. |
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If you're open to it, food tech could be upgraded to have boosts. I would recommend not adding boosts to existing recipes though; as players with inventory get "sudden advantage" from backstocking. So, for example, Carrot foods when eaten could confer Carrot boosts (like Hourglass/Totem type behavior but much shorter duration). In this way, crop species could yield foods that boost those crop species. So there's a feedback loop where growing X means you can cook food_from_x that boosts your X growing. Some ways to mitigate the food boosts from being too strong:
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If the boosts are time boosts, this suddenly has a nice cross-promotion aspect where a Harvest Yam chore is suddenly faster if you cook and eat a Yam boost food. |
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Building on your idea of using animal produce for crafting tools, how about a whole new set of craftable tools and weapons that are strictly for factions, donations reward marks. Basic Sword - Wood/Leather Add another cooking building that specialises in fish recipes, a You could then add SFTs that improve the XP value or cooking time of these meals, be good additions for low level items in Stella or codex related. Craft the pods (wood/wool) and use different baits to catch different varieties. |
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Thanks @snorri-snorri ❤️ I do like the faction idea - we will be requiring a lot more resources into that mechanic. We will consider the Faction a secondary burn use case though as it isn't a critical gameplay path. The Beach BBQ Building is a good idea for burning more Fish 👌 Do you have any suggestions how we could avoid players just focussing on 2-3 OP recipes in that building? (I.e. we want them using all of the recipes). |
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The recipes could rotate with the seasons so you're limited to cooking what is available to catch that week. The higher XP recipes could involve things like Mackerel which are hard to catch, black cobia which is needed for lava pit, things from the crab pods that take a day plus to catch, this slows down people spamming higher XP foods or forces them to fish lots more. Then you have lower XP foods with things like butterfly fish, blow fish, marlin, mauhi etc... Just make sure to have all recipes needing fruit or crops |
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Adding some more ideas on Recipes and how we can increase utility + diversity of what is being cooked.
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@Korlithiel2k That is fair feedback. In a seasonal rotation scenario, we would adjust ingredients where 70-80% of crops can be used in a given season. If not, a player only needs to wait one week. What are your thoughts on "Cook multiple different" idea I just added above^ |
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Another idea in this area: what if food XP was loosely tied to market costs to make? On the surface this would mean wanting to make a variety of foods so you could capitalize on price swings and eat foods when they rise or sell the resources. Deeper it has the challenges of players then manipulating the market so that they can eat what they previously cooked for such a bonus. Imagine stacking resources for lemon cheesecake slowly, something spikes milk, then load up on the other resources to maximize the spikes, consume what is cooked, then take the losses to resell the resources. |
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I want to ask the following question: When you make a pizza, do you always have it with exactly the same ingredients? When you make a pasta dish, do you always use the same ingredients? Sometimes you use lentil macaroni with vegetables because it's healthier, and other times you use wheat spaghetti with tomato. After these questions, I think the kitchens at Sunflower Land need to change to give it a fresh feel. I like the seasonal dishes, but I like the idea of having a building where creativity is rewarded. My proposal is to create more diversity in the kitchens with a base recipe and multiple toppings to make one dish into several dishes. An example: Today's pizza is made with cheese, tomato, and wheat. Why not introduce several pizzas? Pizza with peppers, pizza with onion, pizza with peppers and onions. The same goes for sushi; it could have more combinations with different fish and crops... I think it's a good time to introduce meat into the kitchens, since crops and fish alone can't make many recipes. When a player sells a cow, sheep, or chicken for a bounty of coins, gems, or geniseed, they will additionally receive beef depending on the animal's level. For example, if the cow, sheep, or chicken is level 15, they will receive 5 beef, 5 lamb, or 5 chicken. When pigs and ducks are introduced, pork and duck could be added. Another current problem is that all players only want to make the foods that give the most experience, and those made with cheese. Might it be a good idea to introduce an NPC where you have to enter several recipes to create a personalized menu? For example: a drink from the smoothie shack, a dish from the fire pit as a first course, a dish from the kitchen as a second course, and an item as a dessert. This custom menu could have an additional exp bonus. |
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@Thebyber I was already thinking about new cooking, and the possibility of substituting ingredients. #5710 |
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I forgot to add that I like the idea that the chef has to gain experience in the most basic dishes to make the more advanced dishes. For example: to make a cabbers n mash you need to make 100 mashed potatoes first. |
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Two ideas, both very unpolished. First I've been kicking around for a long while: foods like rhubarb tarts are harder for higher level players to consider at least partly because they take so much effort to cook. The cooking queue could be opened up to more players (single slot for all, VIP for extras) and then get skills to increase the utility. Then categorize foods similar to crops into basic, medium, and advanced. A skill to cook 10x or 100x rhubarb tarts per cooking slot suddenly makes them appealing, at least if they are roughly cost competitive. So: lean more into cooking queue. And revamp recipes to help scale with this and allow targeted skills. Second idea is that bumpkins get sick of foods. See how using gems to speed up cooking scales up with use. Eat all those cheesecakes you want, but the XP per cheesecake decreases after a few and resets per day. Could even combine with the basic, medium, and advanced to set different thresholds for them and skills to increase the threshold. |
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Nice ideas 👌 @Korlithiel2k The 'getting sick of foods' works well - similar outcome to Bumpkin cravings. I'm curious whether this would encourage all types of recipes to be cooked, or if players would just cycle 4-5 key recipes to get over the 'sick ones' |
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Depends how the sickness works. If it follows the current cooking speed ups, players would either wait for the bumpkin to naturally get over it (which I think is necessary since new players have such limited options) or as you note they would find a sufficiently cheap path back to eating their preferred foods. But if the reset was an equivalent amount of XP? I could see this stick pushing players into sitting there and eating rhubarb tarts until they could swap to the next in the chain. And complaining the whole way. |
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Similar to recipes , which burn food . We can have Expeditions . Where our bumkin will go on adventures, for X-mount of time . For the expedition he will need some weapons , clothes , which will be crafted with wool , feathers etc . After return he will earn some EXP and maybe bring back some items ( lore items , Cosmetics , maybe a rare SFT Sword that gives boost on Expeditions , or a walking cane that lowers speed , those can be extremely difficult to find on harder expeditions only ) . Hard expeditions will need many resources or even many bumkins but will give more EXP. This way we can burn other materials for EXP as well . And this can be dynamic . the resources change depended of statistics of items that are not used . And bumkins will need some food as well to eat in the Expeditions . But the foods will change each time . So people will have to cook all recipes. |
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Interesting idea @AntonSaden Thanks for the feedback! I'm curious - what would the resources from expeditions be used for? We often get stuck in the trap of using resources to produce more resources (but we don't have utility for those new resources 😅) |
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We don’t necessarily need to introduce new resources. The main focus can be on gaining experience. In addition, players can earn gold or some rare resources . For example, an Expedition to the Gold Mines, where players burn excess resources to gain gold. Like "trading" "burning" resources to get other resources and get EXP too. This way, the economy remains as is, as the core reward is experience, but there are some Rare SFTs, cosmetics, small amounts of rare resources, lore pages that serve as extra incentives to encourage continued exploration. The value of burned resources can be greater than gained resources but exp balances that. And i think with new islands coming people will need more ways to earn Experience . |
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An expedition feature could be a way to give an extra utility to "farm hands". Usually, expeditions require a number of characters / pets and some other requirements like level or specific equipments (wearables). I personally like the idea of expedition giving EXP as a reward, but we would need to understand how it would affect the cooking system -> any new exp form expedition would mean less resources being burned with cooking. Maybe expedition could be a way to increase "friendship bars" with NPCs and instead of "expeditions" we could call them "Special favors", like sidequests from the NPCs. I believe the keys from the NPCs are a good incentive and chests are a good way to introduce new rewards. I personally like the idea of exploring the friendship bar and creating more opportunities to make the in-game narrative more depth. |
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I think the leather and feathers make sense and would be good burns but sheep in general with wool/merino are severely lacking whereas at least eggs and milk have a use for the other two. The other thing was the lava pits. We currently asking for gold/crimstone/iron/merino wool/oil plus some odds and ends. If we change to a focus of just collection items it could have adverse effects on those. I think if we add these collection items (fish/flowers/insects it should be in tandem with these core base items) |
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Good point 👌 The Lava Pit is definitely burning lots of expensive high-end resources. Ideally we would require 1 high expensive input (e.g. Crimsteel), then a collection of items 👍 |
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I believe wool, leather and merino wool could be better explored by turning them into requirements for custom wearables / decorations. We could incentivize community artists to create new content more often through competitions, for example. I feel like we have so many good artists but we don't explore their full potential. Monthly art contests to introduce new collectibles would bring a whole new life to the game, attracting pixel artists and exponentially increasing the collectible aspect of the game. Plus, its a great timing with the new landscape proposal and co-op. They could make not only new clothes, furniture to place inside the house and farm decos. |
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This is a nice suggestion @MysteriousBumpkin One of the challenges we face in the cosmetic approach is that it consistently requires new content & often leads to a saturation of items which makes them less valuable. We will have these systems - but ideally the primary use cases can be self sustaining without the need for constant work |
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Utility of ressources is a big topic! I'm glad you are looking for ideas to tackle the inflation of all supplies. With what's already ingame I would suggest 2 ideas: 2/ Changing Seasonnal events to have one each day but:
One of the issue, like said in the proposal, is that burn is often a one time thing before getting a full time boost (collectibles). Except for totems/hourglasses/food/... those could be the reward. In that idea I would propose a "Exploring" mechanic: You get a new "slow paced" mechanic that players have to build over time (4 real weeks/1 ingame year) that burns stuff but with rewards that should be appealing (totems and stuff like that), and soon almost mendatory to be able to compete for top items in the chapters. You also get food (who says no to that?) and I honestly like magic bean drop in it as magic beans are also a possible drop of a something valuable (well magic beans or something similar, it's the idea). Big text, sorry! Hope you can scrap some things out of all that ;) |
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That was worth the read 👁️ Thanks @La-Mouette Some interesting ideas in there - I think there is a lot to play with the idea of a 4 week slow burn mechanic. This is something OG players would work towards. The design challenge would be ensuring a climatic + rewarding outcome 👌 |
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The easiest way to add utility is through PVE. Utilizing an advanced crafting station users should be able to produce gear that will help them in raids. This would allow feathers for arrows, which require wood and a little bit of iron for the tip of the arrow. This would also allow wool for cloth armor and things like that, boots etc. not to mention you can allow for the use of gold and iron to craft specialized weapons that also assist in Boss raids for shielding and damage items. you can use fish for bait to catch different animals. These animals can be used to turn them in for bounties. You can also use fish if your HP is low to restore a little bit of health depending on the type of fish you eat. Now if you go into a PVP model. You can repeat this model but the stats would be different of the gear and you would have PVE gear and PVP gear.. by splitting this model into two gear section classes you will have massive amounts of eco-diversity. Including but not limited to gear that specific to roles AKA tanks DPS healers controllers. This works well for people who are looking to buy Elite level gear from players who earn it aka the grinders. Or they can also sell components for crafting that gear. Creating a true sustainable long-term ecosystem. My current recommendation. Start with PVE first. Cheers. 🍻 |
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Great suggestions @SycoticSociety 👏 What sort of rewards do you think players would expect from these sort of mechanics? I'm curious whether the reward could be less than what is burned 🤔 |
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@adamhannigan Why not keep a star system. If a player cooks 1000 dishes, the quality of the result has increased to the bonus to experience for quality. But to cook 2 star food Mashed Potato you need to burn a lot of resources (Each resource gives a certain point, the more expensive the more points). Like progress how much food you are ready to burn and progress fills, for example, I am ready to burn 1000 sunflowers (each sunflower gives 1 point) to achieve 2 star food you need 1000 points. P.S. This is just an idea, but it's up to you to decide how to do it better =) |
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I like the idea of having the stars as achievements rather than something that adds a "buff". |
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You're onto something here @JCtapuk Requiring large amounts of every recipe could lead to some exciting achievements + unlock-ables. Do you have any suggestions how we could make this replayable? (i.e. not a one time unlock, but players keep trying to cook all dishes to unlock X) I.e if you cook every dish in a kitchen 10 times you unlock a 24 hr XP boost or a Box of some kind Something a player can keep doing every week to encourage diversity of recipes |
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Cooking System Idea for the GameOur game will feature a unique cooking system where each dish grants unique points upon preparation, accumulating similarly to NPC gifts. However, to upgrade the kitchen building itself, players will need to cook dishes. Core Mechanics:
Example:Suppose you cooked 100 cakes and unlocked the "Royal Cake" or "Wedding Cake" recipe. These recipes require a large amount of resources. Once you start cooking one of these dishes, the recipe will be removed from your list and cannot be used again. This system adds an interesting culinary element to the game, allowing players to experiment with different dishes and strategically choose which recipes to unlock. If you have additional ideas or changes, feel free to share! 😊 |
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@adamhannigan The second idea of converting resources into stones. Like in compost but rune stones. It is necessary to build 3 different types of rune pillars
All these pillars are similar to the composter but include all resources for burning.
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Nice 👌 @JCtapuk Do you have some ideas for alternative buffs? We've got a few loops that give temporary buffs:
I want to be careful of over saturating the available buffs that we already have in game. Do you have any ideas/examples of some interesting buffs we could offer that don't conflict with existing SFTs/Skills? |
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Well, where I published discussions about guilds and adventurers, without it, buffs are not possible =) Since the player will sooner or later hit a ceiling and he will no longer need food and it cannot be sold, then the solution is to burn food, which is exactly what you can do to strengthen food for adventurers, and then there will be more buff options without affecting the basis of the game =) But this must be done carefully so as not to break the game =) |
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Or add a buff counter, for example, every cooked meal is an additional +10 exp to any meal, but the buff will have a 10 counter after you eat the food. You need to think carefully so as not to oversaturate the buff =) |
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Add a brew house / wine bottling building. 1 sand creates a glass, craft glass into bottles and give a purpose to the antique bottles caught in finishing and digging. Beer/wine/alcohol can then be brewed with grapes, barley, wheat, all new seasonal crops, etc. Have recipes be unknown. Let players try to mix different ingredients to brew something. But the result every time will have RNG. For example, players will have 3 slots (ingredients) to make a recipe. They can use a combination of any 3 of the following (no duplicates)
have the market price of all items used have a multiplier, whereas the more expensive items you use, the better chance you’ll get a stronger drink (benefits of drinking in next section below). Drinks made as a result of the above will be classified as the following categories:
Some drink results could be seasonal as well. Drinking these beverages will give a one time bonus use (1+ fish your next cast, 1+ crop on the next single crop you harvest, +1 gold on next gold mined, etc.). Bonus would be based on rarity of the categories above. For example, epic drink could mine 5 iron without a pickaxe. You wouldn’t know what boost you get until after you drink it. That way you can just stack the 5 different categories. Once you drink it, RNG will impact the boost. But you can also only have one boost activated at a time. For example, if I drink and Epic drink that gives me +20 sand on my next sand dig, and before I dig, I drink another drink, say a Great drink, that epic boost will go away since it wasn’t used before the next drank was drunk. |
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A thought on using those old bottles: they could need cleaning (wool) before use. Brews could include herbal teas too. |
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Thanks @heatedlime A RNG on the buff is an awesome idea 😮 🔥 One of the tricky challenges with burn resources > get buff > use buff. Is that players often only burn the resources if the outcome is extra resources - these aren't very sustainable as they lead to inflation. The RNG buff is interesting, since we could cap the buff at 90% of the required resources. Most of the time a player will get an average buff but they have a chance of an incredible buff. These wouldn't be tied to core gameplay (Chapters) so could be an exciting component! |
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I believe we could use Calendar events to turn the game more dynamic. Calendar events should have a section of its own, imo. Here are some suggestions: "Food Hype": A recipe is trending in Sunflower Land. A specific dish will be available as a gift to every NPC in the game during the entire day, for extra friendship points. (crops sink) "Shrimp wave": A specific fishing event where players can catch shrimp. Increased chance Chum: crabs (wood / stone / crabs sink) "Greedy Metabolism": Potion house tickets cost 9x more, but rewards are 10x better. (coins sink) "Highlander Dimension": Portal goals get extremely difficult, but also gives extra rewards such as keys or more faction points. It would be a great way to fund Portals Builders. (FLOWER sink) "Charity": Donate crops, clothes and toys to people in need for extra reputation points. Homeless guy comeback? We could track reputation points through friendship points with Homeless Guy (crops and craft box items sink) - we can even link them to the real world if we use SFL from treasury to "buy" the donations, so we would have a dollar fund. "Tailor visit": A world wide famous Tailor is in Town! Visit him, deliver the resources needed and craft an exclusive wearable for your Bumpkin! (could use arts made by community for this). Sunflower Land Players Community could fund artists this way "Artisan Lessons": A great Bumpkin Artisan is in Town! Visit him, deliver the resources needed and craft an exclusive decoration for your farm! Or even better, a new and exclusive craftbox recipe! (could use arts made by community for this). Sunflower Land Players Community could fund artists this way "Bumpkin Monument": From time to time, players need to donate resources (and craft box stuff) to contribute to a new city building. This could act as a cooperative goal for the entire server. Once the goal is achieved (should last for days to be engaging), a new city building would be added to Plaza - it could be either decorative or have an utility. (craft box resources / minerals sink) By adding a "friendship bar" to Mayor, it could be also a way to earn reputation level. The narrative would be great. Example: City Fountain Regarding the "Tailor visit" and "Artisan Lessons", the idea is to use collectibles that were designed by community artists during monthly competitions. Players would need to spend resources and flower in order to mint the collectible. The flower could be used to "pay" the creator, meaning the community would fund them (something similar to what happens to Portals). |
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@MysteriousBumpkin I love these ideas 👏 They may be a bit out of scope for the resource utility discussion 😅 These events would be awesome to put on the calendar and look forward to 🚀 |
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I also believe the "friendship system" could be better explored by adding other possibilities of gifts, such as favorite food and craft box items. A dynamic system where the requirements changes (from only flower to flower / food / craft box) or the ability to gift more than once a day could add a new sink. Opening chests is funny and also a great content to share during live streams. To compensate the "key inflation", we could add more items to it to make it harder to collect the rarest items. I would also add more decorations and reduce the "free resource" list from chests, in order to protect the economy and change the culture of the community. Nowadays, I feel like our community is too "ROI oriented". With the revamp of landscape and co-op addition, we can incentivize players to collect decorations by adding more of them in chests, including some "chest exclusive items" that we had in the past (ex: elf potion). Adding a feature like this one would also help: #2262 |
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That's a good suggestion - the Crafting Box would be a perfect fit for Gifts (Bears, Toys etc). Perhaps we could accept 1 Flower and 1 Crafting Box Item each day. As you mentioned, we would need to adjust the rewards if points are much easier to attain. |
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Yeah, we could start from there for sure! I do believe friendship could be better explored, having other content related to it (not only gifts). I saw some people suggesting the "expedition" concept. Maybe a simpler approach would be creating "side quests" with the NPCs, where you can do them a favor in return for friendship points. NPCs could ask for favors or special jobs. Each job would have specific requirements and a time to be completed.
Example: Sidequest: Plague control
Reward: 20 friendship points By completing the special side quest, the player earns friendship points in return of keys. Again, rewards might be adjusted if it gets to easy to obtain. However, I think the chance of opening more chests every week would have a great impact into the overall community sentiment - I do see players sharing their rolls in discord chat and during live streams. Since more points would be obtainable, we could add more friendship levels and turn it into a bigger progression journey. |
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For friendship system refference: |
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I wouldn’t mess with the way current cooking and XP works. Just add more variety of foods to faction pet feeding |
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More recipes for meals! |
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There is many how to solve the problem with food or resources consumption. But is it necessary to know what is the goal and what is the means? Problem nr. 1: MILK->Cheese... If Im in the middle and late game and I want to make some bigger XP. I have only one chance: Food from cheese: Pizza, Spagetti, cheddar, Cheescake ... all is chepeast was and all have bigger amount of XP per day. 1A) Cheese must cost more milks... For example 4 or 5 milk per cheese: + Bigger milk burning, price going up. + Players will find another options. - Little slow down game progress (leveling of bumpkin)
If there is interest, I can elaborate on any proposal further, but for better targeting it would be necessary to know the exact production, consumption figures and intentions, by how much % the intention is to increase the given burning and under what circumstances (for example, maintaining the current leveling speed, or is it possible to accelerate it, or is it the intention to slow down the entire economy - for example, by extending the growth period of all crops by 10%). Sorry for my english, Im not native EN speaker. |
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Thanks @Morgoloth for the proposal. Some very solid & achievable ideas - thanks for keeping it clear. I agree on all of the "Bigger burning of non-primary resources" On the recipes, adding more variety and requirements makes sense to avoid the OP cheese path 👌 I didn't realise there was so much marketplace friction when buying large amounts of low-level crops (Sunflower) - those ideas all sound good to me 👏 |
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Thanks. SF is very good game, This github thread I just discovered it on Nightshade Discord, so I took the liberty of adding a few observations. Yes, buying a lot of sunflowers, potatoes, etc. is a very bad gaming experience. |
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Would also be nice to see new foods that can be cooked using existing cooked meals, similar to how bumpkin roast requires mashed potatoes and roasted veggies. |
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To make all meals have a high impact you will see a small solution, x days of the week x meals you will have +20% XP and thus rotate every 3 or 4 days |
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I have an idea for a cooking change, it could increase the crops burn. |
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Daily Cooking Streak RewardsTo make cooking more engaging, you could introduce a daily streak reward system. Each day, players receive a specific recipe to cook—for example, “Mashed Potatoes.” If the player cooks only that recipe and reaches certain milestones without switching to other dishes, they build up a streak and earn rewards:
If the player tries to cook a different recipe, the streak resets. The featured recipe changes every day—today it might be Mashed Potatoes, tomorrow Carrot Stew, and so on. Each recipe can have its own streak requirements, with more difficult dishes requiring fewer to complete the streak. Cakes and other complex recipes might only appear once a week, giving players extra time to work toward those goals. This system encourages variety, rewards dedication, and highlights different foods throughout the week! |
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Is there any data on how many greenhouse crops are used outside of the faction stuff, chores, and deliveries? Because my guess is that's like 95% of the burn of the greenhouse stuff. They're kind of an end game resource as you only get them once you get to desert and they require oil, but I don't find any of their recipes to be very competitive compared to other foods. |
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Sushi Roll is the fastest xp/time (by far for my boosts) in the Kitchen after Beetroot Blaze, and it uses Rice. Ocean's Olive is the second fastest xp/time in the Kitchen, and it uses Olive. For comparison, Caprese Salad (also Kitchen) is ~14.2k xp/hr. |
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Every crops and resource price stooped so low, there needs to be some adjustment. even with NFTs items are selling at a loss. |
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At a loss? I think you made a miscalculation. |
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I mean even though i have NFTs the resource and crops price dropped drastically, so selling those crops and resources now is at a loss. |
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Information on a third-party site is not the truth. |
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Introduce seasonal halving or tiered pricing for crops: Why this matters:
Proposed food categories: Budget Recipes: Premium Recipes: Time-Efficient Recipes: Why this matters:
Benefits: Encourages players to level up more purposefully. Adds strategic depth by allowing players to become experts in chosen domains. Boosts player interaction and market activity, as specialized roles lead to increased trade and cooperation. Why this matters:
No major overhaul or large-scale rework is necessary. Most changes are scalable and can be introduced in phases. These updates can be tested quickly and rolled out progressively. Conclusion: |
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One key aspect highlighted is that dynamic pricing is a highly practical concept for all types of businesses, and it can also be effectively applied in games. The current suggestion involves a slow but seasonal increase(approximately once every three months). However, by analyzing the data collected after each implementation, the pricing strategy can be made much smarter and more adaptive. In any case, this approach serves as a foundation, and the ongoing use of post-execution data can lead to continuous optimization. |
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Ok. So the price only goes up? This is challenging to consider, then. For new player attraction purposes the prices can't go up without also all rewards (selling the crops directly or turning in for deliveries) also scaling, likely making it pointless. Ditto for retention purposes: players would leave in droves if their costs kept scaling up and new players weren't coming in. Maybe it would be a lobster pot situation, where it isn't a case that the rising temperatures get everyone to leave before cooked, but it looks like it would need to deeply be reworked to minimize impacts and I haven't even gotten to other downstream impacts. I hope others can weigh in, maybe there are more positives than I see. |
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NO Adjusting Crop Seed Prices and Seasonal Halving System Food System Optimization Based on Player Personas Skill System Expansion with Tier 4 Specialization Minimal Implementation Overhead Second: COIN PRICE FOR RSS IS NOTHING IN THIS GAME!!! ONE OF THE MAIN REASON OF THE GOLD PRICE IS SO PEOPLE BURN AND SELL SOME OF RSS TO BETTY AND GET GOLD TO BUY SEEDS! NOW WITH ALL THESE GOLDS PEOPLE WONT DO IT AND ONE OF THE RSS UTILITY WHICH WAS BURNING THEM BUY SELLING TO BETTY TO GET GOLD IS NOT WORKING AT ALL!! YOU ALL ARE MAKING HARD WAYS TO BURN RSS AND MAKE UTILITY BUT THE OLD WAYS LIKE SELLING TO BETTY IS NOT WORKING!! YOU CAN EASILY JUST INCREASE THE COIN PRICE AND MAKE THE OLD WAY WORK BETTER!! WHATS THE POINT OF MAKING NEW WAYS AND NEW FOODS AND...., WHEN YOUR OLD MAIN WAY WHICH IS SELLING TO BETTY NOT WORKING?! AND YOU THINK PLAYERS WILL LEAVE BCS COIN PRICE OF RSS IS GOING UP? ARE YOU JOIKING?! anyway better to raise the coin price of rss but it is up to devs and im just suggesting it . @adamhannigan it would be great if i know what do you think about this suggestion, tnx. |
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Of course I don't get it, in your initial proposal you don't spell out when the prices reset to their current levels. A necessity for incoming players, with the only alternative being that the current issues of too many coins becoming worse and all sources slowly provide more coins as well. A soft halving, where prices slowly goes up, simply does not work. Players find they risk their profits, so they sell off and leave. New players don't buy in because the costs to play are too high and keep rising. So, yeah, I don't get it because the initial idea which you rely on for the others, doesn't work in games. We aren't even sure it works in economics, for the reasons I stated (people will sell off if their capital is eroding so quickly). |
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An aside, the proposed issue you have: new players can spend less to progress quickly, is a result of intended changes that allow for exactly that: newer players to not feel like they cannot enjoy chapters without significant time and money investments, now they can merely invest significant funds and decent amount of time. |
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I'm just placing this here so I don't lose my train of thought. Will edit them once I am fully awake. Food Recipes for new crops ( i remember Adam was checking for ideas but I can't find the thread for it ): Gochujang - Deli Chopsuey - Fire Pit Kimchi - Deli Butter - Kitchen Baked Yam - Bakery Olive Oil - Kitchen Artichoke notes: Needs a grill Lo Bak Go - Kitchen Tiering: Note: |
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Howdy all 👋 As our game grows, we must ensure that every resource has a given purpose + utility in the game. We don't want to saturate our game with 'use-less' mechanics. The purpose this discussion is to explore some bonus utilities and seek ideas for sustainable gameplay.
Primary & secondary use cases
For every resource inside of our game, we want there to be a direct purposeful use case for it. These essentially allow players to continually burn the resource with little restrictions. Primary resources are seen as high utility. Examples include:
Once a resource has a clear primary use - we introduce it into other areas of the game for robust gameplay & an interconnected economy. These secondary use cases have fluctuating burns amounts, they include:
For the purpose of this discussion, we will focus on Primary use cases. We've got plenty of secondary use case sinks that we can plug the resources into.
Traps
There are a few traps we are wary of when introducing a new resource & designing utility.
Under utilised resources
The following are resources which currently do not have a primary use case:
Proposed Changes
The following changes can be made currently:
The following changes can be made with upcoming feature work:
Lava Pit
We have numerous collect-them-all aspects of our current game (fish & flowers) and more coming in the future - insects #5658 & crafting box.
Utilities the lava pit to seek combinations of these items to produce Obsidian. For instance 20 x Anchovy, 10 x Butterflyfish, 5 x Seahorse...
On a 3 week cycle, request different collection items:
Week 1 - Combination of Fish
Week 2 - Combination of Flowers
Week 3 - Combination of Dolls
The requested items should be resource specific. I.e. don't request fish you can't catch in that weeks season.
Produce & Recipe Saturation Challenge
We currently have a lot of crops/fruits/produce required for plenty of different resources. However, players are only cooking the most optimal resources for XP.
Looking for suggestions how we can ensure more produce gets utility in the cooking system, not just certain items 🤗
Ideas: #5690 (comment)
Notable ideas
Collating a few ongoing ideas from the discussion below:
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