The current state of Walkspeed Concrete

[leumasme]

Your GTNH Discord Username

leumasme

Your Pack Version

2.6.1

Your Proposal

Let me provide an overview of the current Steam/LV options of Movement speed blocks for base mobility
All speeds are runspeeds in blocks/sec

• Default Runspeed
  • Speed 5.12
• Brownstone (Tinkers Construct)
  • 2 types with free conversion via Chisel
  • Easy to get (Smeltery)
  • Brownstone Road
    • Speed ~10, Velocity mult x2.7
  • Brownstone (non-road)
    • Speed ~7.5, Velocity mult x2.2
  • Checks: Velocity Multiplier is only applied on x/z direction if that directions velocity if it is <0.5. Bad QoL, see below
  • Uses onEntityWalking which is only called every 1 block of distance, so walking feels choppy
• Gregtech Concrete
  • Less easy to get (LV Machines)
  • Normally:
    • Speed 7.39
  • With Slippery Block below it (ex. Ice)
    • Speed 14.07
    • This also makes the concrete itself Slippery
    • This doesn't seem to be documented anywhere. Not sure what's going on here, is it not a full block and thus benefits from low friction from the block below it?
  • Checks: !isInWater, !isWet, !isSneaking
• Chisel Concrete
  • Free Chisel Conversion from Gregtech Concrete
  • Speed 10.81, Velocity mult x1.35 x1.4? Configurable
  • Checks: Player must be holding forwards or sidewards direction
• Botania Trodden Dirt
  • Noone seems to know this even exists
  • Literally dirt cheap recipe (dirt + sand), probably not gregified recipe
    • to be rechecked
  • Very similar to Tinkers Brownstone, Also uses onEntityWalking which is only called every 1 block of distance, so walking feels choppy
  • Speed 7.14, Velocity mult x2 if velocity is <0.4

So the current speed tierlist is
GT-Concrete+Ice > Chisel-Concrete > (Brownstone Road) > (Brownstone) > GT-Concrete > Trodden Dirt > Nothing

Brownstone

The current Tinkers Brownstone implementation sucks.
The Boost is only applied on the x/z direction if your current velocity in that direction is <0.5.
This makes the block not work at all if you're already fast from other sources (#16523, #6427), and makes running on it choppy as you bounce between getting the velocity boost and not getting it (This is actually caused by the blocks applying their speed via onEntityWalking which is not called each tick but only when the game would also play a step sound) (#12447).
This can also lead to the player being thrown sidewards if only one of the axis velocities are <0.5
Example: X-Velocity 0.49, Z-Velocity 0.51 => X-Velocity 0.49*2.7=1.32, Z-Velocity 0.51

Proposal:

• Eliminate individual axis checks so we never boost only one of the two axis
• Update formula to provide diminishing returns at higher speeds to eliminate choppy behavior, while keeping the current average speeds, and document the diminishing returns behavior in item tooltip/quest ("Speed boost is reduced if you are already fast")
  • Or just make it a constant speed multiplier like the other speed boost blocks? Keeping the Diminishing Returns multiplier could give players some cheap early mobility but incentivise them to upgrade later.

Gregtech Concrete

The fastest option of Slippery Block + Concrete isn't actually documented.

Proposal:

• Add info about Slippery speed to Questbook/Item Tooltip

Chisel Concrete

Doesn't even say that it also provides a speedboost anywhere.
Free Chisel upgrade from normal GT Concrete, but that's probably fine as it may be desirable to have multiple different speeds available?

Proposal:

• Add info about speed boost to Questbook/Item Tooltip

Trodden Dirt

Same choppyness and getting thrown to the side as Tinkers Brownstone, uses pretty much the same code.
Recipe is just 3 dirt + 1sand = 4 trodden dirt, probably default recipe.
Not in questbook, just randomly found this when looking through other uses of onEntityWalking

Proposal:

• Probably gregify recipe
• Add info about speed modifier to item tooltip
• Needs Choppyness/Flung to Side fix like Tinkers Brownstone

Your Goal

Improve QoL of Brownstone Road, as they are currently obnoxious to use (Choppy walking, getting flung to the side occasionally)

Give players a clearer Picture of the available options by documenting GT-Concrete Ice Speed, Chisel-Concrete Speed in Tooltips/Questbook (Quests for GT-Concrete already exist, they just don't mention these things)

Your Vision

I never know what to put into this textfield.

Final Checklist

• I have searched this issue tracker and there is nothing similar already. Posting on a closed issue saying I like this change please reconsider adding it will prompt us to investigate and reopen it once we confirm your report.
• I understand this change request may not attract enough attention and thus not be implemented.
• I understand this change request may be rejected due to other community members think it's inappropriate.
• I believe this feature would make the pack better.

[github-actions]

Closing this issue because it has been stale with no responses for over 7 days.

[iame6162013]

Trodden Dirt is a good road surface?? lol.

[bcmpinc]

In my opinion the chisel implementation seems to function the most reliably. I found that gregtech concrete has a slipperiness to it even without ice beneath it.

My considerations:
The gregtech concrete and tinker's brownstone both have tooltips on them. The other two mods don't.

For some reason tinker's has two different tooltips: "you run a bit faster on it" and "you run pretty fast on it". Checking the code, these do indeed have different speed boosts. This isn't entirely obvious as the only difference is what chisel variant of brownstone you choose. There's rough brownstone and (smelted) brownstone and it would have made sense if the later would be a bit faster, but that is not the case. The differentiation here feels arbitrary.

Another thing I noticed is that only some of the gregtech concrete types prevent mob spawning, while others do not. This limits what block types you can use when mixing them into your path. Botania's trodden dirt and chisel's concrete also prevent mob spawning, while tinker's brownstone does not.

I assume that none of these blocks are used in world generation. If they are however, changing their mob spawning settings might be an issue. On the other hand Quarried stone is also used in world generation. So it really depends on where it is used. Is there a way to check this?

Only chisel's has a configuration option for the speedboost. For the other's the boost is hard coded. Chisel's does not fully respect that setting, as it adds another 0.05 in code for some reason. As the mods are specifically patched for the pack I do not see reason why this needs to be configurable.

Et futurum requiem adds colored concrete, chisel's has practically equivalent hempcrete blocks (in fact the concrete can only be crafted by chiseling it from hempcrete). Neither of these give a speedboost. I think I remember other packs changing minecraft's concrete to give a speedboost. While I think that makes sense, changing it is too impactful as this block is used a lot in decorative builds.

My proposal:

• Modify the Tinker's, Gretech and Botania mods and replace their implementation with the one from Chisel's.
• Configure the speed boost to be in line with the recipe complexity:
  • Chisel's concrete remains at 1.4 (the setting is 1.35, but the code adds another 0.05 for some reason)
  • Gregtech concrete will be set to 1.4 as well as its in the same chisel group.
  • Tinker's brownstone, which is easier to make, will all be set to 1.25 regardless of type.
  • Botania's trodden dirt, which is dirt cheap, will be set to 1.1.
• These boosts will be hard coded.
• Ensure that all blocks have clear tooltips:
  • 1.4: "You run much faster on it"
  • 1.25: "You run faster on it"
  • 1.1: "You run slightly faster on it"
• Configure tinker's brownstone and gregtech's concrete to prevent mob spawning as well.

While I have experience with modding minecraft, I'm new to GTNH pack development. I would like feedback on my proposal from someone who does have experience with GTNH pack development. In particular whether it makes sense for me to try implementing it. These changes would then result in 4 (or perhaps 5) separate pull requests, one for each mod (and possibly one for the mod that handles the mob spawning).

[Vlamonster]

Relevant Buff Speed on Concrete to Match Chisel's Concrete #4910.