[agent-presets] Superseded standing generation is never reclaimed — any preset-file edit bricks session creation until restart

[YaoQC-Ai]

Summary

Once a preset's composition file (agent.cordis.yml) is edited while the process runs,the next session that names that preset starts a next-generation standing mount(stamp check in ensureStanding), but the superseded generation is never disposed(the TODO at ensureStanding; also documented under "Known Limitations":"A superseded generation is never reclaimed").

Any row in the preset that registers a process-global provider — most notablytool-cordis, which registers cordisInspect provider id "Service" on every mount —makes the next-generation mount throw already registered. From that moment,every session creation / mount validation for that preset fails until the process restarts.

This turns a routine composition edit into a hard failure state. The settings-pageauthoring flow makes "a composition changed" a per-save event (quoting the sourcecomment itself), so any user who saves an authored preset — or any third-party pluginthat persists configuration into a preset file — bricks new-session creation for therest of the process lifetime.

Reproduction

Environment: @deepseek-ai/dsh 0.1.0-rc.5, dsh web, Windows.

1. Boot dsh web, create a session with a preset that mounts tool-cordis (e.g. a copy of standard).
2. While the process runs, edit that preset's agent.cordis.yml (any change —e.g. append a config block to an existing row; a settings-page save does exactly this).
3. Create another session with the same preset.

Actual: creation fails with

agent-presets: preset "<id>" failed to mount: failed to apply loader entry tool-cordis
(@deepseek-ai/dsh-tool-cordis): Host Cordis inspect provider "Service" is already registered

and keeps failing for every subsequent attempt; only a process restart recovers.

Expected: the next generation mounts and the new session uses the edited composition(the documented stamp semantics: "a session that finds the stamp stale starts the nextgeneration").

A second, related manifestation: dsh web restores on-disk sessions at boot and mountstheir presets, so a boot-time restore can occupy the global provider slot before anyinteractive session exists — same end state, different trigger.

Root cause walkthrough

1. AgentPresets.ensureStanding (packages/preset/agent-presets/src/index.ts, ~L490-534):when the composition stamp (mtime + size) changes, it deletes the pending entry andrecurses to mount a new generation — but never disposes the old generation's scope(TODO: reclaim the superseded generation once the last agent joined to it is gone, ~L502-507).
2. The old generation keeps tool-cordis alive, whose mount effect registers theprocess-global cordisInspect provider (packages/extensions/tool-cordis/src/index.ts,~L37-38); the registry is a process-wide singleton(packages/extensions/cordis-host-runner/src/inspect-registry.ts,"Register the process-global Host registry") that throws on duplicate id.
3. The new generation's tool-cordis row registers the same id → already registered.
4. No observer exists for preset-subtree loader/config-update either(packages/preset/agent-presets/src/mount.ts, ~L103-108: "a future 'edit your presetwhile it runs' flow needs a deliberate persistence path"), so there is no in-placeconfig refresh alternative to re-mounting.

Impact

• Any deployment whose users author presets via the settings page hits this on the firstsave-then-create cycle after a session already joined that preset.
• Third-party plugins that persist configuration by writing preset files (a naturalextension point, since preset files are the documented composition editor) inherit thesame failure mode with no plugin-side workaround.
• The mount-level invariant ("a row that published a service into the root realm isrejected") guards preset-vs-preset collisions at first mount, but cannot guardgeneration-vs-generation collisions of the same preset, because the old generationis intentionally kept alive for joined sessions.

Suggested directions (not prescriptive)

1. Implement the reclaim TODO: joined-agent counting on StandingMount(increment in mount/composeFrom/recompose, decrement when the agent's scope keydies) and dispose the generation when the count reaches zero. A stamp-invalidatedgeneration with zero joined agents could then be torn down before the next generationmounts, releasing its global registrations.
2. Idempotent / scoped inspect registration: allow tool-cordis's provider tore-register or to be keyed per mount scope, so a next-generation mount of the samepreset does not collide with its own superseded generation.
3. Interim mitigation (docs): state explicitly that saving an authored preset requiresa process restart before further sessions can be created with it.

Environment

• @deepseek-ai/dsh: 0.1.0-rc.5 (global npm install)
• OS: Windows 11 25H2, Node.js LTS
• Profile: web; preset containing the stock tool-cordis row

[denial123789]

Confirmed against rc.8 source revision 141eb6f: this is still an explicit lifecycle gap, not only an rc.5 packaging artifact.

ensureStanding detects the changed mtime/size stamp, drops the map pointer, and recursively mounts the next generation. The old generation remains live by design, and the adjacent TODO says reclamation needs a joined-Agent count. The rc.8 preset README also lists “A superseded generation is never reclaimed” as a known limitation.

The important diagnostic split is:

• same-preset collision: generation A of preset X remains joined while edited generation B of X mounts;
• cross-preset collision: presets X and Y both mount tool-cordis.

Both can reach the same fixed process-global provider ID and already registered, but reclaiming A only solves the first path. The second needs Host-owned registration or an explicit scoped/ref-counted contract. Making register() silently idempotent would need provider-equivalence and disposer-ownership rules; otherwise disposal of A could unregister state still used by B.

For rc.8 operations, I would treat preset edits as deployments: preserve the first RPC error and stamp, drain active turns, stop and verify the owning Host PID, validate the candidate in an isolated DSH home, restart once, then prove two fresh Session creations without another edit. Deleting Session files or repeatedly retrying session.create does not release the live scope.

I documented the source evidence, recovery sequence, ownership contract, and an eight-scenario regression matrix here:

• Visual route: https://sandbaseai.github.io/deepseek-harness-handbook/preset-generation-recovery.html
• Full runbook: https://github.com/sandbaseai/deepseek-harness-handbook/blob/main/docs/en/troubleshooting/preset-generation-not-reclaimed.md

[YaoQC-Ai]

Thank you for the thorough source-level confirmation and the runbook — this is very helpful. The same-preset vs cross-preset collision split is exactly the distinction we were missing in the original report, and your point that a silently idempotent `register()` would need provider-equivalence and disposer-ownership rules makes total sense (reclaiming generation A must not unregister state still used by B). We will adopt the "treat preset edits as deployments" operational guidance for now and watch for the upstream lifecycle fix. Thanks again for taking the time to verify against rc.8.

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