Zoom with BMW wheel via Carpe Iter controller

[HPK-AT]

Zoom by wheel dont work with Cruiser, other Apps are working fine with zoom by wheel.
Only the right hand buttons, up down left right map move are working with Cruiser.

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT What is the wheel supposed to do, zoom?
Does OsmAnd work?

If someone can tell me which Android keys the wheel uses, then I can include them.

Carpe Iter implementation (based on user suggestions) now uses the Android keys:

• Carpe Iter joystick:

  • Directions: Move map
  • Press center (code Enter): Center map

• Carpe Iter button A:

  • Press (code A): Zoom in
  • Long press (code B): Navigation button

• Carpe Iter button B:

  • Press (code Esc): Zoom out
  • Long press (code C): Add favorite

[HPK-AT]

Wheel should zoom at least by turning clock or counter clockwise , at kurviger APP it is working.
Osmand i have to check.
other wheel functions are left and right positions
Which functions this should become later on i m thinking about or ask community what they think, in bmw you navigate through menus Ok / Quit and so on.

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Please see the updated description of Carper Iter above.

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Is the wheel a new Carpe Iter component? Are there any pictures?

[devemux86]

It seems the wheel uses the same codes with the joystick for zoom (that we already support):
https://support.myrouteapp.com/en/support/solutions/articles/12000100670-bluetooth-controllers

@HPK-AT What happens when you move the wheel up / down?
Is the wheel like the pictures in the above link?

[HPK-AT]

it is the standard BMW Multi Controller "wonder wheel" named as well.
Carpe takes controll of it by CAN Bus:
https://carpe-iter.eu/bmw-control/

[HPK-AT]

how to use see here on my bike:

CarpeIterController_2.mp4

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT

I checked the Carpe Iter manual from here, but they do not seem to mention the Android key codes.

Can you install an Android app like the KeyEvent Display, use the wheel and tell me the key codes?

[HPK-AT]

Sorry see Screenshot.
Any other APP recommended?

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Very nice of Google not to allow devices to install apps... 🙁

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Can you get it from an apk mirror?

https://apkpure.com/keyevent-display/aws.apps.keyeventdisplay

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Next Cruiser Beta version will display the key codes on the screen.

So you can test your device and tell me the key code that each action or button has.

[HPK-AT]

Good idea, because the apk from apkpure was also not installable.
How to get next beta?

[devemux86]

How to get next beta?

@HPK-AT When it's ready, there will be an announcement with the link here in the forum.

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Please try the Beta and the key codes will appear on screen:

• Cruiser 5.5.0 Beta 13 #799

[devemux86]

@airald Do you also have this wheel?

Display of the codes was disabled in the latest Betas
because @HPK-AT reported that the wheel did not show any key codes when used.

All external devices (also Carpe Iter) work with Android key codes. See here and here.

I contacted Carpe Iter, hopefully they can explain how the wheel can be used as well.

[airald]

No, I use a custom button device and Automate. Actually I simulate screen gestures, but I'm trying to send codes to make it easy. Automate uses accessibility, and it does not work in certain apps. Just to know if Cruiser "listen" accessibility.

[devemux86]

@airald Selecting in settings the generic "Keyboard" these keys are now available:

Key	Action
+ or -	Zoom map
Arrows	Move map
C	Center map
F	Follow location on / off
B	Add favorite
N	Navigation on / pause
R	Speak next instruction
S	Skip next waypoint

[airald]

it works if I use a generic BT keyboard but not with automate. I test automate in a text editor and it writes "N", but Cruiser do nothing.

[devemux86]

@airald I don't know how automate works.
I can enable the key message in a next Beta, so you can make tests.

Cruiser listens for Android key codes, different for each device selection.
If the key code is received, then Cruiser can perform an action for each key.

[HPK-AT]

Is it just to instal the .apk or do i have to move the other files to a cruiser folder?

[WolfgangZ42]

Just install the .apk ... nothing else.

[HPK-AT]

BMW Wheel codes:
Press to right Enter code 66
But up or down turn was no result
I will ask Carpe Iter Support for that issue.
Press to left long hold is recognized from cruiser as "press again for exit"

[HPK-AT]

https://carpe-iter.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/BCMD_0081_User-Manual_v1.2.pdf

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Thanks, I have seen their manual, but it does not mention any Android key codes.

But up or down turn was no result
I will ask Carpe Iter Support for that issue.

Please ask them, because we need the Android key codes to communicate the device with the app.

[HPK-AT]

Done
Pending
https://support.carpe-iter.com/helpdesk/tickets/3257

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Any news?

[HPK-AT]

It should be scroll up scroll down commands.
But i got not all tech specs until now.
I made an urgency at Carpe Iter on their ticket.

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Android works with key codes.

The full list is here: https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/KeyEvent

We need the specific Android key codes for their device to include in the app.

[HPK-AT]

OK, I updated the request @ci: https://support.carpe-iter.com/support/tickets/3257

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Thanks, is the ticket private? It is not visible.

[HPK-AT]

Yes they have a private Ticket System.
And they ask for developer Informations attached.
I think it would be better if you create direct your own account @ https://support.carpe-iter.com/
You don't have to create a customer login, user account should be enough: https://carpe-iter.eu/wp-login.php?action=register
make a relation there to: Ticket: BMW Control Wheel Keycodes #3257
And send them within the Ticket the answeres to the Developer Dokument attached here.
App_questionnaire EN.docx
Then your Cruiser APP will listed as supported app as well - cross trading ...
I could make pressure as customer when you tell me your Ticket No. afterwoods you got it and detect problems with them, but i guess no.

[HPK-AT]

Hi @devemux86 have you got some time to register @ CarpeIter to get answers from them to this issue,?

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Sorry, if they can provide the Android keys or a documentation like other device providers, then I can include them.

[HPK-AT]

You have to register @ them as a developer, they don't give the information an normal User like me.
And you have the advantage to be listed with your APP as a tested APP.

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT I already have an account as customer, if I understand their website.
They do not let me register again.

[HPK-AT]

What is your username? Maybe I can drop my ticket to your account.
In any case you have to fill out their questionnaire document, postet above.

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT I created a thread in their forum asking for the Android keys.

https://carpe-iter.eu/community/other-software-related-to-navigation/cruiser/

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT Can you write in their forum and ask for help:

https://carpe-iter.eu/community/

They mention in a thread that they tested some apps (including Cruiser) and it works:

https://carpe-iter.eu/community/terrain-command-peripherals/bmw-control-cant-zoom-in-waze/#post-1121

[HPK-AT]

I need your username @ CarpeIter then I can link my official support case to your account. Once again they will not publish the informations as long as you don't fill out the document I posted above.
They will only answer the development from the Cruiser APP and no public discussion.

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT My username is same as in Github.

[HPK-AT]

i need your email as well, then i am able to add you to my ticket. and you are then able to answere via eMail as well.

[devemux86]

@HPK-AT The email is on Google Play page of Cruiser.

[HPK-AT]

yes found it, was not sure if you read that very often, you got eMail already. and i set your eMail on CC on the CarpeIter internal ticket https://support.carpe-iter.com/support/tickets/3257 (not public)

[HPK-AT]

@devemux86 are you still in contact with Carpe Iter? Because they closed my original Ticket 3257 @ CI

[devemux86]

They answered that:

"There's nothing else needed from your side—we have everything we need.
What remains is to "integrate" your app into our list of supported apps. Once that’s done, the BMW wheel will work seamlessly with your app.

This is already in our pipeline, and we’ll make an official announcement once it’s completed."