[REQUEST] Virtual Cockpit use CarPlay google map or apple map

[Gold-TW]

I wonder if this idea can be implemented?

Virtual cockpit using CarPlay Output google maps or apple maps.

Or can install GOOLE EARTH in MIB2 high

Thanks for the suggestion.

[andrewleech]

Various people have been attempting to get carplay/AA into the virtual cockpit with little success, it's a real shame VAG don't support this. Efforts are also being made to prevent blocking built in maps on VC when AA nav is started.

The enabling of Google Earth in cars that don't have it though is generally a licencing issue which is outside the scope of this project unfortunately.

[jasoriab]

Until the version of Waze 4.66.0.1 there was a trick to make it work, which was to start a route (the virtual cockpit map was deactivated), stop the planned route (the map reappeared on the dashboard) and start a route again planned in Waze, without losing the car map on the dashboard. Version 4.66.0.1 can be downloaded from the web apkmirror.com

But since version 4.66.90.900 they modified Waze and said trick stopped working :(

There is an open thread on the Waze support forum about this:

https://waze.centercode.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=c4c17e7b1c714fd4811d8431529d23aa&uf=e8ddabb7f2d94bef9eab137fa1b5a448&slsid=1080d884f753465c83cbce1789d9a405

This trick never worked with Google Maps, at least on my Leon. It also does not work with the new Tomtom AmiGO.

It would be great if with mib2-toolbox it could be possible to have both again, the map in the virtual cockpit, and an active navigation with android auto in the infotainment.

[andrewleech]

Yes there's a long running thread here already about that: #10

That trick was technically a bug in Waze, where it didn't properly flag to Android that navigation was started. I'm not surprised that fixed it.

I've found the flags in Java code in MIB already where this navigation_active status of tracked but they're in strange compiled Java code (jxe file) that's proving hard to override so far.

[jasoriab]

Thanks @andrewleech for the URL of thread # 10, which I hadn't read ...

The funny thing is that, at least in the new SEAT León Mk4, its MIB3 unit does allow to have active navigation in android auto, and simultaneously displaying the car's own navigator map on the dashboard ...

I don't know what is the reason given by the VAG group for not allowing it in the MIB2 units.

[DAP56]

The Audi TT has CarPlay in the VC, so why stop at the maps? The display in the VC is horrible during all CarPlay functions. I'll be watching this one.

I talked to a seller on Alibaba.com, he said if I purchased VC through him, he could/would enable the CarPlay in VC and program the dual RS tach's that I don't have on my RSQ8 (2021's have dueling tachs, they are awesome).

[XPepino1]

It should be very nice!!!
Have to exist some way how to enable Carplay in VC or in least original MAP in VC if Carplay is running

[airsky98]

Those are like android based VC. You can even watch video inside your speedo. ....

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[XPepino1]

Only original is interesting, i have with android based systems not good expirience :-(

[DAP56]

All of the VC sellers on Aliexpress and Alibaba say that the VC's lock after 100km, so if its possible to enable CarPlay in VC (like TT and R8) then it has to be done on a new VC. I'm tempted to spend the $600 Euro and find out, but I realize that won't buy me happiness. That only comes from within.

[andrewleech]

Unfortunately I don't think it'll be so easy to just swap out a TT VC into a different car, as I believe the ability to show full maps / carplay / androidauto in them is based on a separate LVDS connection, eg it acts like a separate monitor, not just a MOST connection like other VC's. These cars don't have a screen in the dash, so they use the VC as the main / only screen.

Eg. TT VC (https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005002826165506.html)

Note LVDS connector:

Compared to Passat VC (https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005001369470372.html)

[DAP56]

Thanks for the photos of the VC. In my RSQ8, there's night vision. I'm trying to bereft, but I think that means LVDS.

[DAP56]

Thanks @andrewleech for the URL of thread # 10, which I hadn't read ...

The funny thing is that, at least in the new SEAT León Mk4, its MIB3 unit does allow to have active navigation in android auto, and simultaneously displaying the car's own navigator map on the dashboard ...

I don't know what is the reason given by the VAG group for not allowing it in the MIB2 units.

Interesting that your Skoda MIB3 functions that way, my Audi MIB3 does not.

[olinek2]

Unfortunately I don't think it'll be so easy to just swap out a TT VC into a different car, as I believe the ability to show full maps / carplay / androidauto in them is based on a separate LVDS connection, eg it acts like a separate monitor, not just a MOST connection like other VC's. These cars don't have a screen in the dash, so they use the VC as the main / only screen.

Eg. TT VC (https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005002826165506.html) Note LVDS connector:

Compared to Passat VC (https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005001369470372.html)

andrewleech consider, that all MLBevo VC (and even MQB for Audi A3 for example) have LVDS connector as well TT, because maps with 3D view are showed only by LVDS (generated in MIB), so maybe it would be even possible to clone Carplay/AA view and redirect to it. Also that can be the difference in the software, because map view stream is on different interface.

[andrewleech]

all MLBevo VC (and even MQB for Audi A3 for example) have LVDS connector as well TT, because maps with 3D view are showed only by LVDS (generated in MIB), so maybe it would be even possible to clone Carplay/AA view and redirect to it.

Sure, maybe. I don't have one of these cars so can't look into it myself.

What I have seen though is it's currently quite hard to access / clone the view as it's implemented as a h264 steam directly from the phone. This stream is hardware decoded by the Tegra chip direct to display. The command line tools to take screenshots work fine on normal screens, but only get a black frame when AA/CP is on screen - much like computers 10 years ago when movies needed to be hardware decoded direct to screen.

The raw h264 steam can be sent to a file of disk as well on screen, but I never found any other way to decode / frame grab from that on unit.

[olinek2]

But somehow it is send from unit to VC to visualize the maps in 3D, and it is rendered in unit not VC, then transferred by LVDS/HSD. OFC it's just theoretical talk, newer dived in the unit code...
As far I know in Audi TT it was done, but there VC was acting as a main screen for unit, because it was the only screen i the car.