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Wait, when I searched closed questions as well (I didn't realise there was a filter) I find this similar item #5798.

This suggests that something is maintaining state, and I just need to reset apache port and IP. Would be good to explain that in the docs if that's the case.

And this did let Apache listen on :443 (with SSL) - the Collabora problem was me not understanding it needs to be an internal URL not the external URL. At least it tries to work now.

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