💾 LMCache KV-offload for Qwen3.6-27B — keep long sessions warm across turns & restarts (🐣 incubating)

[noonghunna]

🐣 Incubating — opt-in, hidden from switch.sh --list (--force to launch). An LMCache tiered prefix-KV cache layered on our dual-max profile, for keeping many long sessions warm. Zero decode penalty (measured). Posted because the validation is interesting and the use case is real — cross-rig numbers welcome.

We wired up vllm/qwen-27b-dual-lmcache — dual-max Qwen3.6-27B (FP8 + int8-PTH KV + MTP n=3 @262K) with an LMCache tiered persistent prefix-KV cache (GPU → L1 CPU RAM → optional L2 disk). For workloads with many long-running sessions (50K–262K ctx), it reuses each session's cached prefix instead of re-prefilling — turning a ~40 s re-prefill into a sub-5 s warm load.

Credit where it's due: this exists and is correct because of @efschu's persistence on #133. An early read of mine claimed LMCache "halves decode"; his cross-rig data said otherwise, and a controlled A/B proved him right. Thank you.

🎴 Results Card — dual RTX 3090 (TP=2), Qwen3.6-27B FP8 + int8-PTH KV + MTP n=3

① Serving — zero decode penalty

	LMCache ON	LMCache OFF
decode TPS (narr / code)	74 / 94	74 / 95
MTP acceptance	~83%	~83%
max ctx	262K	262K

Controlled A/B (toggle only the connector, same image+config): identical within noise. The KV offload is async/overlapped — it does not cost decode. VRAM ~21.5 GB/card (LMCache adds ~0.7 GB).

② Cache behavior — the actual win (36,807-token session, measured)

	TTFT	vs cold
Cold (re-prefill)	43.3 s	1×
Warm — L1 RAM hit	1.4 s	~31×
Warm — L2 disk rehydrate (after a full container restart)	4.8 s	~9×

Cross-restart persistence confirmed — post-restart the log shows 0 L1 / 46 L2 retained keys (the session rehydrated entirely from disk).

③ Capacity & sizing — cache ≈ 131 KB/token measured (both tiers)

Per warm session: 50K ≈ 6.5 GB · 128K ≈ 17 GB · 262K ≈ 33 GB (RAM or disk).

Tier	~50K sessions	~262K sessions
L1 RAM --l1-size-gb 30 (default)	~4	<1
L1 RAM 50 GB (cap on a 94 GB rig)	~7	~1.4
L2 disk 100 GB / 1 TB	~15 / ~155	~3 / ~30

• RAM preflight-gated — rejects over-allocation even under --force (a too-large cache once OOM'd the host).
• L2 disk (fs adapter, off by default): survives restarts; unbounded → size disk per the table. No compression yet — LMCache's fp8 serde shape-errors on this hybrid KV (measured), and CacheGen for MP-mode is pending upstream, so provision for the full ~131 KB/token.
• ⚠️ Note: this cache rate is ~7× the GPU's 18.9 KB/token int8-PTH rate — that GPU figure only sets max servable context, not cache size. (An earlier draft of mine conflated the two and overstated capacity ~7×; corrected here.)

④ Takeaways

• Zero decode penalty — the warm-session win comes free of throughput cost here.
• Opt-in, incubating — runs LMCache's third-party image (digest-pinned; bundles a newer vLLM than our v0.22.0 pin); promotion to ✅ wants LMCache on our own image. L2 numbers above are measured on a ~1.9 GB/s VM disk.
• Use the fs L2 adapter, not nixl_store (this image's NIXL backend is broken).

Get it / run it

git pull && ./scripts/switch.sh --force vllm/qwen-27b-dual-lmcache

(hidden/incubating → --force; the 38 GB image pulls on-demand). Tune by env, no compose edits:

• LMCACHE_L1_GB=30 — CPU-RAM cache size
• LMCACHE_L2=1 — enable disk persistence at a gitignored in-repo default path (zero config); or LMCACHE_L2_ADAPTER='{"type":"fs","base_path":"/your/ssd/lmcache-kv"}' to point at a faster/larger SSD

What'd help

Cross-rig numbers — especially on faster interconnect / more VRAM (where the recipe should run without the 24 GB constraints we worked around), and L2 rehydrate on real NVMe.

Credits

• LMCache — the KV-offload layer + the HMA hybrid support (0.4.7) that made this possible on the GDN-hybrid Qwen.
• @efschu — for the use case and the persistence that corrected the record.

[alexpolo1]

Cross-rig — 2× RTX 3090 (TP=2, PCIe, no NVLink), 124 GB RAM, 260/280
W*
Ran the dual-LMCache profile end-to-end. Reproduced all three claims,
and found + fixed a bug that made the documented env knobs inert.

🐛 Env-passthrough bug

LMCACHE_L1_GB / LMCACHE_L2 / LMCACHE_L2_ADAPTER /
LMCACHE_CHUNK_SIZE are read by the entrypoint's in-container bash
($${LMCACHE_L1_GB:-30}), but they were never declared in the compose
environment: block — so docker compose never forwarded host-shell
values. The cache silently ran the defaults (L1=30, L2 off) no
matter what you set, contradicting "tune by env, no compose edits."
(CLUB3090_MEM_LIMIT / shm_size worked because they use compose-level ${...} interpolation.) Verify with docker exec <c> env | grep LMCACHE and the lmcache server cmdline. Fix: declare them in
environment: with empty :- defaults so the entrypoint's own
:-30/off fallback still holds when unset.

Warm-cache (cold baseline 34.2 s TTFT, ~40K-token prefix)

• L1 RAM hit: 2.44 s (~14×) — isolated to LMCache via Prefix cache hit rate 0.0% (GPU) + External prefix cache hit rate >0%, after
  evicting the prefix from the 279K GPU pool with a filler (vLLM's own
  prefix cache otherwise masks LMCache).
• L2 disk after a clean compose down/up: 6.57 s (~5.2×),
  l2_prefetch_hit 42/42.
• ⚠️ docker restart races GPU-memory release and crash-loops TP worker init — use compose down/up for restart tests.

Decode (zero penalty confirmed)

narr 81.5 / code 103.6 decode TPS (n=3, CV 3.4%/2.6%), TTFT ~115 ms, 22.3 GB/card — beats the #133 baseline (74/94), newer driver/BIOS
here.

Sizing (124 GB rig)

L1=60 + L2 needs CLUB3090_MEM_LIMIT=110g + CLUB3090_SHM_SIZE=64gb.
pinned L1 + mmap'd FP8 weight pages both count against the container
cgroup, so a child worker is OOM-killed (no container OOMKilled flag,
just WorkerProc initialization failed).

Gate results

• verify-full 8/8 (MTP acceptance 2.78)
• verify-stress 7/8 — real single-request fillable ceiling ~214K
  (81% of 262K), OOM-walls at 241K (Cliff 2 / [bug] CUDA error: out of memory with llamacpp/default and llamacpp/mtp #197), likely the LMCache
  GPU buffer + int8-PTH padding at util 0.92
• soak-continuous FAIL on VRAM +830 MiB > 200 MiB threshold, but 0 errors / 0 silent-empty / 100% TPS retention — looks like prefix-pool
  fill, not a leak
• quality --quick toolcall 9/15 · instructfollow 13/15 — == the int4 baseline (10/15 · 13/15), same failure modes (model does
  sequential tool-calls where the pack expects multiple in one response),
  so not an LMCache/FP8 regression
  Net: works, fast, warm-cache is real and free; the ceiling +
  VRAM-growth-threshold caveats keep it honestly 🐣. Happy to share the
  raw logs.

[efschu]

docker restart races GPU-memory release and crash-loops TP worker init — use compose down/up for restart tests.

Wow and omfg, you do not want to know how many (re)builds this has costed me.

[noonghunna]

Thanks, this is exactly the cross-rig validation we needed.

The env-passthrough bug is real, and I opened #454 for it: #454

Root cause matches your finding: the LMCache args are chosen inside the container via escaped $${LMCACHE_*:-...} bash expansions, but Docker Compose only forwards host values into that process when those names are declared under environment:. So preflight could see LMCACHE_L2=1 while the container still booted with L2 off.

#454:

• forwards LMCACHE_L1_GB, LMCACHE_L2, LMCACHE_L2_ADAPTER, and LMCACHE_CHUNK_SIZE
• adds a regression guard for future LMCache entrypoint knobs
• documents live verification plus the docker compose down/up restart-test path

Your numbers are useful as the cross-rig addendum: zero decode penalty confirmed, warm L1/L2 benefit confirmed, and the docker restart race explains a lot of confusing persistence-test behavior.

I agree we should keep this 🐣 for now: useful and fast, but the ~214K real fillable ceiling, 241K OOM, and soak VRAM-growth caveat are material enough that this should not be promoted on throughput alone.

[alexpolo1]

Results (all phases done)

┌─────────────────────────┬─────────────────────────────────────────┐
│ Phase │ Result │
├────────────────────────┬──────────────────────────────────────────┤
│ Cold/WarPhase (37K, │ Cold 35.25s · Warm-L1 0.51s (69×) · │
│ controlled restart) ┼─ Warm-L2 5.30s (6.7×, NVMe) │
├────────────────────────│ Cold 35.25s · Warm-L1 0.51s (69×) · ─────┤
│ Decode A/B │ Warm-L2 5.30s (6.7×, NVMe) 0/104.0 TPS — │
│ ┼─ within CV, signs flip → zero penalty │
├────────────────────────│ nar─ 83.8/81.0 · code 101.0/104.0 TPS — ─┤
│ Capacity @L1=60 │ within CV, signs flip → zero penalty t │
│ ┼─ ~70 GiB · full 255K │
└────────────────────────│ 131 KB/token confirmed · host RAM flat ──┘
│ ~70 GiB · ful 25 K cold prefill >5 min
───────────────────────────┴──────────────────────────────────────────────
❯ 
Two genuinely new findings beyond #423:

1. Warm-L2's 5.3 s is 405 ms disk + 37 ms transfer + ~4.8 s recompute →
   compute-bound (Mamba reconstruction), not disk-bound. Explains why my
   NVMe ≈ their VM disk — faster SSD won't help warm-load speed on this
   hybrid model.
2. An aborted long prefill leaves orphaned L2 data but only indexes the
   completed prefix (46/320 keys) — LMCache commits only on request
   completion. Worth a maintainer note.

⚠️ Posting blocked

gh returned Resource not accessible by personal access token — the
alexpolo1 fine-grained PAT lacks Discussions:write on
noonghunna/club-3090. I attempted the post; it was rejected at the API.
Nothing was published.

Two ways forward — pick one:

• Paste manually (fastest): open
  💾 LMCache KV-offload for Qwen3.6-27B — keep long sessions warm across turns & restarts (🐣 incubating) #423 and paste the
  draft below.
• Enable the API path: ! gh auth refresh -s public_repo -h github.com
  (switches to/extends a classic-token scope that can comment on public
  discussions), then tell me to retry.

The full reply is saved at scratchpad/post423.md and reproduced here for
copy-paste:

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🎴 Cross-rig numbers — bare-metal dual 3090, real NVMe (L1=60)

Re-ran the validation card on a bare-metal rig after the LMCACHE_*
env-passthrough fix landed (the knobs now actually reach the container —
verified docker exec … env shows LMCACHE_L1_GB=60 / LMCACHE_L2=1).
Headline tables reproduce cleanly; the warm-L2 number is on real NVMe,
which the "What'd help" section asked for.

Rig: Ryzen 7700X · 124 GB RAM · 2× RTX 3090 PCIe Gen4 x8, no NVLink · L2
on /dev/nvme0n1p2 (NVMe) · driver 595 · LMCACHE_L1_GB=60 LMCACHE_L2=1,
CLUB3090_MEM_LIMIT=110g CLUB3090_SHM_SIZE=64gb.

② Cache behavior — 36,721-token session (controlled: full compose
down/up between cold and warm-L2)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────┬────────┬────────┐
│ │ TTFT │ vs │
│ │ │ cold │
├────────────────────────────────────────────────┼────────┼────────┤
│ Cold (re-prefill) │ 35.25 │ 1× │
│ │ s │ │
├────────────────────────────────────────────────┼────────┼────────┤
│ Warm — L1 RAM hit │ 0.51 s │ ~69× │
├────────────────────────────────────────────────┼────────┼────────┤
│ Warm — L2 disk rehydrate (after full container │ 5.30 s │ ~6.7× │
│ restart) │ │ │
└────────────────────────────────────────────────┴────────┴────────┘

Logs confirm tier isolation: warm-L1 = 46/46 retained keys (46 L1, 0
then tell me to retry.

The full reply is saved at scratchpad/post423.md and reproduced here for copy-paste:

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🎴 Cross-rig numbers — bare-metal dual 3090, real NVMe (L1=60)

Re-ran the validation card on a bare-metal rig after the LMCACHE_* env-passthrough fix landed (the knobs now actually reach the container — verified docker
exec … env shows LMCACHE_L1_GB=60 / LMCACHE_L2=1). Headline tables reproduce cleanly; the warm-L2 number is on real NVMe, which the "What'd help" section
asked for.

Rig: Ryzen 7700X · 124 GB RAM · 2× RTX 3090 PCIe Gen4 x8, no NVLink · L2 on /dev/nvme0n1p2 (NVMe) · driver 595 · LMCACHE_L1_GB=60 LMCACHE_L2=1,
CLUB3090_MEM_LIMIT=110g CLUB3090_SHM_SIZE=64gb.

② Cache behavior — 36,721-token session (controlled: full compose down/up between cold and warm-L2)

┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┬─────────┬─────────┐
│ │ TTFT │ vs cold │
├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤
│ Cold (re-prefill) │ 35.25 s │ 1× │
├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤
│ Warm — L1 RAM hit │ 0.51 s │ ~69× │
├─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┼─────────┼─────────┤
│ Warm — L2 disk rehydrate (after full container restart) │ 5.30 s │ ~6.7× │
└─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┴─────────┴─────────┘

Logs confirm tier isolation: warm-L1 = 46/46 retained keys (46 L1, 0 L2); warm-L2 post-restart = 46/46 (0 L1, 46 L2).

New finding on the L2 number: the 5.30 s warm-L2 breaks down as 405 ms disk prefetch + 37 ms host→GPU + ~4.8 s recompute. On this NVMe the disk read is <10%
of TTFT — warm-L2 latency here is compute-bound (Mamba-state reconstruction on the GDN hybrid), not disk-bound. So faster-SSD gains are limited; my NVMe
(5.30 s) ≈ your ~1.9 GB/s VM disk (4.8 s) within recompute noise. The disk tier matters for persistence/capacity, not warm-load speed, on this model.

① Decode — zero penalty (controlled A/B, toggle only the connector)

Same image+config, removed only --kv-transfer-config. 3 warm + 5 measured.

┌────────────┬─────────────────┬─────────────────┐
│ decode TPS │ LMCache ON │ LMCache OFF │
├────────────┼─────────────────┼─────────────────┤
│ narrative │ 83.8 (CV 1.3%) │ 81.0 (CV 2.7%) │
├────────────┼─────────────────┼─────────────────┤
│ code │ 101.0 (CV 3.2%) │ 104.0 (CV 3.6%) │
└────────────┴─────────────────┴─────────────────┘

Deltas sit inside the CV bands and flip sign (ON wins narrative, OFF wins code) → zero systematic decode penalty, confirmed. MTP accept ~83% both arms. VRAM
22.10 vs 22.10 GB/card — Δ≈0 here (the connector's footprint is CPU-side; I didn't see your ~0.7 GB VRAM add). (Absolute TPS runs higher than your card's
74/94 — this rig is at full power + a recent PCIe-Gen4 fix; the A/B delta is the point.)

③ Capacity / sizing at L1=60

• 131 KB/token confirmed (36,721-tok session → 4.6 GB on disk) — matches your measured rate exactly.
• Container RAM holds flat at ~70 GiB across warm sessions — the L1=60 pool is pre-pinned, so per-session L1 fill happens within it, not as host-RAM growth.
  Practical takeaway: size host RAM once, up front; it doesn't creep per session.
• Full ~255K session: cold prefill is brutal — >5 min (my client timed out at 300 s with 150/161 blocks stored). That's the cost LMCache exists to amortize;
  per-session footprint projects to ~33 GB at 131 KB/token.

⚠️ Operational caveat worth flagging (maintainer FYI)

An aborted long prefill (client disconnect / timeout mid-prefill) leaves orphaned L2 data on disk but does not index it — a resend showed only 46/320
retained keys, i.e. only the completed prefix was cached, and the session re-prefilled from scratch (~494 s again). LMCache commits a session's blocks only
when the request completes. For the warm-session win on very long contexts, the first prefill must run to completion (don't let an upstream client timeout
kill it). Might be worth a note in INTERNALS / the compose header.

Setup notes for repro

• L1=60 needs the bumped caps (CLUB3090_MEM_LIMIT=110g + CLUB3090_SHM_SIZE=64gb); the shipped 70g/32gb defaults crash-loop at L1>~40, as the header warns.
  With the bumped caps: clean boot, restarts=0.
• Confirmed restart: "${CLUB3090_RESTART:-no}" behaves — the incubating cache doesn't auto-resurrect and contend for GPUs after a switch.sh.

Happy to re-run any specific scenario (e.g. a clean-restart L2 isolation at full 262K) if useful.

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Housekeeping: temp OFF compose removed; git status shows only your pre-existing changes; the ON container is up and lmcache-kv is 32 GB (this-model cache,
405 GB disk free). The uncommitted lmcache.yml edits (served-name alias, restart:no, batched-tokens doc) all validated in this run.

[noonghunna]

Full circle 🙏 — you flagged and fixed the env-passthrough bug here on the 21st, that became #454, and now you've confirmed the knobs actually reach the container on bare-metal + real NVMe. Exactly the validation cycle we hoped for.

Two findings I'm folding into the docs (credited):

1. Warm-L2 is compute-bound, not disk-bound — your 5.30 s ≈ 405 ms disk + 37 ms H2D + ~4.8 s Mamba-state recompute. So a faster SSD won't move warm-load on this GDN-hybrid; the L2 tier buys persistence/capacity, not warm speed. (It also closes the compose header's open "L2 rehydrate latency not yet measured on-rig" caveat — it's ~5.3 s now.)
2. Aborted prefill banks only the completed prefix (your 46/320) — LMCache commits a session's blocks on request completion, so the first long prefill must run to completion or it re-prefills from scratch. Agreed it's worth an INTERNALS/header note.

Decode zero-penalty + 131 KB/token + flat ~70 GiB host RAM all reproduce — thank you.

(Side note: looks like your agent's terminal output got pasted in — the "posting blocked" line is a token-scope thing; a fine-grained PAT needs Discussions: Read and write on the repo to comment directly. Data came through fine, no worries.)

[alexpolo1]

Cross-rig numbers — bare-metal dual RTX 3090 (PCIe Gen4, no NVLink), 124 GB RAM, NVMe L2

Re-ran the three tables on a second rig and the profile reproduces cleanly. Setup: Qwen3.6-27B fp8 (qwen3.6-27b-fp8), int8-PTH KV, MTP n=3, 262K, TP=2. L1=60 GB, L2=fs on NVMe.

First, a fix that mattered: the documented LMCACHE_* knobs (LMCACHE_L1_GB, LMCACHE_L2, LMCACHE_L2_ADAPTER, LMCACHE_CHUNK_SIZE) were inert for me until I declared them in the compose environment: block — the entrypoint reads them via in-container $${VAR:-default}, so docker compose never forwarded host-shell values and it silently ran L1=30 / L2-off. Verify with docker exec <c> env | grep LMCACHE. (CLUB3090_MEM_LIMIT/shm_size worked already — single-$ compose interpolation.)

① Zero decode penalty — confirmed

A/B toggling only --kv-transfer-config (LMCache on/off), everything else byte-identical:

	narrative decode TPS	code decode TPS	VRAM Δ
LMCache off	81.0	104.0	—
LMCache on	83.8	101.0	≈0

Within run-to-run CV; signs flip. No measurable decode cost.

② Cache behavior — cold / warm (controlled compose down/up), ~37K-token session

	TTFT	speedup
Cold prefill	35.25 s	1×
Warm — L1 (CPU RAM)	0.51 s	69×
Warm — L2 (disk, cross-restart)	5.30 s	6.7×

③ Sizing

L1=60 needs CLUB3090_MEM_LIMIT=110g + CLUB3090_SHM_SIZE=64gb; the shipped 70g default crash-loops at L1>~40 (pinned L1 + mmap'd fp8 weight pages both count against the cgroup → a TP worker OOMs as WorkerProc initialization failed, no OOMKilled flag). ~131 KB/token cache footprint. Restart via compose down/up / switch.sh, never docker restart (races GPU release → same worker-init crash).

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Two findings worth adding to the thread

1. Warm-L2 is compute-bound, not disk-bound. Breaking down the 5.30 s warm-L2 load: ~405 ms disk prefetch + ~37 ms host→GPU + ~4.8 s Mamba-state recompute (GDN hybrid reconstructs its recurrent state from the rehydrated KV). So a faster SSD barely moves warm-load — my NVMe ≈ the original VM's ~1.9 GB/s here. L2 disk buys persistence/capacity, not speed; the speed win is L1.

2. An aborted prefill does NOT commit to LMCache. If the upstream client times out mid-prefill (e.g. a long ~255K session that cold-prefills >5 min, against a 300 s client limit), you get orphaned L2 chunks on disk but only the completed prefix is indexed (46/320 retained keys) — the session re-prefills from scratch next time. LMCache commits a session's blocks only on request completion. For long-ctx warm wins, don't let the client kill the first prefill.

Bonus: host RAM holds flat at the L1-pool size (~70 GiB at L1=60) across warm sessions — L1 is pre-pinned, sessions fill within it, no per-session host-RAM creep. And persistence across reboots works by putting LMCACHE_L2=1/LMCACHE_L1_GB=60/CLUB3090_MEM_LIMIT=110g/CLUB3090_SHM_SIZE=64gb in repo-root .env (switch.sh auto-loads it; the on-disk lmcache-kv/ survives restarts).

[noonghunna]

Clean re-post came through perfectly this time 🙌 — and the good news is everything here is already in the tree, credited to you:

• Env-passthrough fix → fix(lmcache): forward env tuning knobs #454 (merged 06-24), plus a regression guard (test-lmcache-env-passthrough.sh) so the knobs can't silently go inert again.
• Warm-L2 is compute-bound, not disk-bound → folded into both the lmcache.yml header and the INTERNALS.md LMCache section — your 405 ms disk + 37 ms H2D + ~4.8 s Mamba-recompute breakdown, with the "faster SSD won't move warm-load on this GDN hybrid; L2 buys persistence/capacity, not speed" takeaway. It also closed the header's old "L2 rehydrate latency not yet measured on-rig" caveat (~5.3 s now).
• Aborted prefill banks only the completed prefix → INTERNALS + header now warn that LMCache commits on request completion, so the first long prefill must run to completion (your 46/320).
• Decode zero-penalty, ~131 KB/token, and flat ~70 GiB host RAM all reproduce on the second rig — recorded.

So this is a clean across-the-board confirmation on a second bare-metal rig with real NVMe. Status stays 🐣 on the same caveats we agreed — the ~214K real fillable ceiling / 241K OOM and the soak VRAM-growth threshold — which are what keep it off the throughput-promoted list, not anything you found here. Thanks again for taking it end-to-end; this is exactly the contributor cycle the 🐣 tier exists for. 🙏

[noonghunna]

Follow-up (2026-07-05): native CPU KV offload landed in stock vLLM — and a caution on the warm-cache numbers

Two things worth sharing after re-visiting this on the current stack, in the same follow-the-data spirit as the original post.

1. Stock vLLM now does CPU KV offload natively — this slug is largely redundant

vLLM v0.24.0 — the image we already run for dual / dual-max — ships native CPU KV offloading: the built-in OffloadingConnector + CPUOffloadingSpec (under vllm/v1/kv_offload/cpu/), enabled with one flag:

--kv-transfer-config '{"kv_connector":"OffloadingConnector","kv_role":"kv_both",
  "kv_connector_extra_config":{"spec_name":"CPUOffloadingSpec","cpu_bytes_to_use":<N>}}'

That's LMCache's L1 (CPU-RAM) tier, first-party — no third-party image, no bundled-older-vLLM, no 38 GB pull, no mutable-tag digest pin. Those were the three things keeping vllm/qwen-27b-dual-lmcache incubating, and they all evaporate on the native path. What stays uniquely LMCache: L2 disk persistence and distributed / cross-node KV sharing — neither of which matters for a single-node dual-3090 keeping sessions warm.

So we're going to retire this slug in favour of a native-offload variant (validation pending). Zero decode penalty still holds either way (re-confirmed today, ~85 narr / ~105 code ≈ current dual-max).

2. A caution on the warm-cache multipliers above

Re-testing surfaced a measurement subtlety our original card didn't account for, and it's worth flagging honestly. vLLM's built-in prefix cache (enable_prefix_caching) is on by default — in this profile and in plain dual-max. An immediate warm repeat of a prompt hits that GPU cache first, before LMCache is ever consulted. So a naive cold-vs-warm measurement largely reflects vLLM's own prefix cache (which dual-max already has for free), not LMCache's tiers specifically.

Cleanly isolating LMCache's contribution requires forcing a GPU-cache miss (e.g. evicting the prefix past the GPU pool) — which we didn't do originally, and which turns out to be fiddly on a 262K-token pool. We're not going to publish a corrected multiplier, because getting an honest LMCache-specific number needs more careful isolation than we've been able to nail down, and the slug is being retired anyway. The safe takeaway: "reused long prefixes skip re-prefill" is real and valuable — but on a single node you get most of that from vLLM's native prefix caching (on by default), and the rest from the native CPU-offload connector above. Treat the earlier per-tier speedups as illustrative of prefix reuse, not as validated LMCache-vs-native deltas.

Net

For the "keep long sessions warm" use case on a single node: native prefix caching (already on) + the native OffloadingConnector if your working set genuinely exceeds the GPU pool. The third-party LMCache image isn't needed for it. Thanks to everyone who kicked the tyres on this — the honest conclusion is a simpler stack, which is a good outcome.

[noonghunna]

Addendum (2026-07-06) — crediting a use case I under-weighted above.

Re-reading my follow-up, I lumped LMCache's L2 disk persistence in with "keeping sessions warm" and dismissed both together — but those are two different things. Keep active sessions warm → native prefix caching + OffloadingConnector fully cover it. Persist a conversation's KV to disk and reload it instantly after a restart/eviction → native CPU-RAM offload is ephemeral, so it does not cover this. Reopening a ~100K-token chat without paying the ~150 s re-prefill is a real QoL win, and it's genuinely uniquely LMCache today. Fair point, and I under-sold it.

Two honest reasons it doesn't reverse the retirement yet: (1) we never showed LMCache delivers it here — in our L1 test LMCache retrieved the KV but vLLM used 0% of it (no external hit, no TTFT benefit); the retrieved KV never reached the engine, most likely a Qwen3-Next GDN-hybrid KV-load issue we never root-caused — and we never tested L2 disk at all. So our only datapoint suggests the retrieved KV wouldn't load regardless of tier. (2) the dependency cost is unchanged — third-party image + bundled-older-vLLM + 38 GB pull + mutable-tag pin — heavy to carry for an unvalidated niche.

So the retirement stands, but the door's explicitly open: we reopen if either (a) someone validates LMCache's L2 disk tier actually loads into the engine on Qwen3-Next — a real external hit + TTFT drop on a reloaded long prefix — or (b) vLLM's native offload grows a disk-persistence spec (it's CPU-RAM only today). If instant-reopen of long conversations is your use case and you're on hardware to test it, that L2-disk validation is exactly the missing datapoint — genuinely welcome it. 🙏