pootle.python.org is outdated.

[methane]

BPO	13663
Nosy	@loewis, @birkenfeld, @benjaminp, @ezio-melotti, @merwok, @methane, @sandrotosi

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title = 'pootle.python.org is outdated.'
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[methane]

I am one of Japanese translate of Python documents.
We have done translating Python 2.7 document and will start
translating Python 3.2 or 3.3.

I want to use sphinx-i18n and pootle to translate.
But http://pootle.python.org/ is very outdated.
Anyone can update the site?
If nobody maintain the site, could I create Python Document project at http://pootle.locamotion.org/ ?

[loewis]

I'd rather have you maintain poodle.python.org instead of maintaining Python translations off-site.

[merwok]

Agreed with Martin. I would be nice to get a statement on the status of pootle.python.org (social aspects like updating and publishing the translations + organization of teams), but Georg seems busy.

(This would probably be more at home on a mailing list rather than in the CPython bug tracker.)

[birkenfeld]

I've never really had a hand in pootle.python.org; it was set up by Martin and Robert Lehmann, and Sandro Tosi also wanted to lend a hand...

[sandrotosi]

Yeah, I really would like to help with pootle, but it seems we don't have a current status of the thing + a roadmap to where we want to go.

From the top of my head, I think we need at least:

• the current setup of the machine/service
• updated packages for pootle + its deps (it should be a debian machine, so I can leverage my DD status to help here)
• plan the migration from the current pootle to the updated one
• start advertise pootle, which is much better than having a lot of people translating python doc on their own websites instead of a central (official) place
• maybe rename the service?

[loewis]

naoki: what is your actual complaint about the installation being outdated? Are you referring to the message catalog (documentation version), or the software?

As for the message catalog, I don't think it should be updated too often (only once per Python release), otherwise, translators will have to fight a moving target (which they will have to, anyway, given that the documentation evolves).

Whatever updating procedure is performed: preserving the existing translations and the existing accounts is an absolute must.

I'm not sure what good renaming the service would do; this sounds like bike shedding.

[methane]

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Martin v. Löwis
<report@bugs.python.org> wrote:

Martin v. Löwis <martin@v.loewis.de> added the comment:

naoki: what is your actual complaint about the installation being outdated? Are you referring to the message catalog (documentation version), or the software?

I need Python 3.2's message catalog. But updating pootle version is
also nice to me.

As for the message catalog, I don't think it should be updated too often (only once per Python release), otherwise, translators will have to fight a moving target (which they will have to, anyway, given that the documentation evolves).

I agree with you about already released series (~3.2).
I think updating message catalog for beta versions may help releasing new
Python's translated document fast.

The way to manage multiple series is also needed when Python 3.3 is released.

[benjaminp]

pootle.python.org has been disabled.