[RFC] Suggested new warp effects for Warp Theory

[D-Cysteine]

Your GTNH Discord Username

D-Cysteine

Your Pack Version

2.1.1.3

Your Proposal

Here's some ideas that I came up with; please give feedback and/or suggest new ones!

In roughly suggested order of increasing warp:

• For a short period of time, flowers are spawned at the player's feet (if placeable). Maybe limit to grass blocks only; this shouldn't break anything in bases.
• Player receives slowness, weakness, mining fatigue.
• For a period of time, player randomly lays eggs.
• For a period of time, player either cannot sleep, or takes twice as long to fall asleep.
• Spawn a wisp near the player.
• Player instantly loses half their current health (rounded down so this cannot kill the player).
• Spawn a doppelgänger behind the player. Similar to the friendly creeper, the doppelgänger is a passive mob that follows the player. The doppelgänger looks just like the player and has the same max health, and any damage that it receives is also dealt to the player (maybe with a chat message each time this happens?).
• Spawn some hostile endermen a moderate distance away. Maybe also give the player an ongoing effect that causes nearby endermen to become hostile and/or randomly spawns more endermen.
• For a period of time, the player randomly gets pushed around.
• Water is converted to ice in an area around the player. Maybe also place some snow.
• Spawn a bunch of mushrooms in an area around the player (low chance of vishroom). Cows in range are converted to mooshrooms (need to figure out how this interacts with Thaumic Horizons infused cows).
• A voice whispers in your ear, "You look like you need this". Gives the player some litmus paper. This is a not-so-subtle hint that the player is about to reach (or maybe has reached) wither-level warp. Maybe give the player an effect that prevents receiving this warp effect again for a long time, to prevent getting free litmus paper?

I'm happy to work on implementing these myself.

For balancing, note that it looks like a random event is picked (out of those the player has enough warp for), so the more events that we add, the less likely any individual event is to be picked. See:
https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/WarpTheory/blob/master/src/main/java/shukaro/warptheory/handlers/WarpHandler.java#L228-L238

There is also a closed issue with more ideas: #4270

Your Goal

According to #5643, we need new warp effects implemented so that we can rebalance warp.

Your Vision

Adding new warp effects will allow us to expand the range of warp effects, pushing back destructive effects farther and allowing Thaumcraft users to be less afraid of withers blowing up their base.

Final Checklist

• I have searched this issue tracker and there is nothing similar already. Posting on a closed issue saying I like this feature please reconsider adding it will prompt us to investigate and reopen it once we confirm your report.
• I believe there is nothing similar in the pack already, or the existing solution isn't good enough.
• I understand this change request may not attract enough attention and thus not be implemented.
• I understand this change request may be rejected due to other community members thinking it's inappropriate.
• I believe this feature would make the pack better.

[boubou19]

That is actually a bunch of really cool additions, i personally like a lot the idea of having a doppelganger linked to your health. I also love the last one, as it's basically telling the player when it's time to care about warp, so even begineers in thaumcraft don't get trapped that easily with warp levels.

That might also let us spread way more the warp effects, and defacto push back the wither boss warp to higher levels without any issue.

[yukieiji]

It's closed now, but in the past there was some discussion about whether the following Warp effects should be added. #4270

[D-Cysteine]

Yeah, I think the doppelgänger is also my favorite of these. There's some fun trolling potential too on multiplayer.

Thanks for mentioning #4270! I think I read it a while ago (probably got the wisp idea from there actually), but didn't find it when I was creating this issue because I only searched open issues. I've added it to the first comment.

I do think that a lot of the ideas in #4270 may be quite tricky to implement, though. Swapping controls and checking if the player has removed an item of armor seem like they might be difficult to do, and affecting GT machines would require WarpTheory to depend on GT5.

[bombcar]

I like these and I also would suggest another warp effect - kill all nearby bats! Not all warps have to be bad ;).

We may also want to revisit the warp researches and if they still apply - the way I look at it for some warp is the penalty paid to get something earlier than tech would get it (so a warped thing at HV that tech can’t do until EV) for example.

Another might be shuffling just player inventory.

[D-Cysteine]

Similar to this, one of the scrapped ideas I thought of was spawning in bats, but with wither on them so that they die after a short time (as a twist / higher-warp version of the regular bat swarm). But I decided against it because it would probably be really loud to have them all die at the same time, and the effect is arguably less annoying than the regular bat swarm.

[Shibva]

I got a better idea

This sort of goes with 1.12.2 bat mechanics

but think of this, instead of bats, the bats are magical spell bats. they are projectiles and being hit by one will give you a effect/debuff

The bats will despawn after a given time, some may go after a minute while others may linger around for 4 minutes

[Shibva]

(Basically if the bat touches you it may have a chance of despawning on contact and give you a debuff

the amount of warp that you have will determine the debuff power, the duration, and if the bat that touches you will despawn (goes down in despawn chance when touching you as your warp increases) )

Example: if the minium for this effect is 40, then theres is a X chance that the bat will despawn when it touches you after it applies the debuff. but when your at 80, the chances are lower of it despawning and the effects it can give you can varry

But why stop at just thaumcraft effects, maybe some debuffs from other mods can be piled on to if (Ie, witchery effects that can be a pain) it all depends on the current pool of warp they are having

Im thinking this being done on an equation where the total warp value is pulled and then used to determine the effects that the bats can give you

on another note, because witchery is in this pack, the bats colors can be altered with a simple potion effect that can be applied onto them when they spawn and diffrent colors can potentaly represent different debuffs (Ie: Black will inflict withering; green will inflict poison, etc)

what about that?

[Shibva]

another event idea that can be exlcusive for this pack is when you have reached high warp levels that your machines (that require matemence) will have an event that will make them require matimence

[Prometheus0000]

About wither warp (discussed in discord), one way to give you some time to prepare is to have it first summon a 'ghost' version of the wither (with chat warning of impending doom or whatever), then summon the actual one a little later (10s?).

Other ideas: (I don't think I need to specify if they're temporary or not, do i?)

• Upside down screen
• Sideways screen
• Hide HUD
• Spawn different enemies, like a group of zombies outfitted with gear
• Spawn a companion cube from chisel
• Make it rain as a visual effect, but you can see that it's only around you (like 5 block radius)
• Drop fish instead of animals
• drop ocelots/wolves
• Change POV(?) like when slowed/picking up dolly, or the opposite
• Invert colors or similar
• Add a filter, like old-timey grain filter or black and white
• Start fires like holding firestone
• swap health and hunger values
• Change skin
• Invert direction controls
• Play some kind of sound, like enderman screech
• Other potion effects
• Super fast decay of blocks around you, only for a short time (creates a pit). Only chosen if you have enough vanilla materials (stuff it can affect) around you, since it would be useless otherwise

[Shibva]

some of those are cool but spawining fire around you as a warp event will get probematic real quick, becasue remember: Fire + machines = BOOM

Changing skins would be a nice one but how would that be pratical

Super fast decay would be a pain in creating holes in your base as it would take time to fill them up and make the player (like I would) be parranoid about this effect happening

[Prometheus0000]

Maybe fire isn't the greatest idea. Or maybe a fake fire instead?

🤷 I'm just throwing stuff out. Last time I suggested spawning hungry nodes, I didn't expect anyone to like that idea either.

If we used the whole 200 range the giant hole one would be near the top. Also, if you chisel stuff, it no longer affects it, so only the cobble gang is going to be affected, and they deserve it.