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Browser has become sluggish with my design. #607
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@stainlessdmc12 thank you for telling me. A tab that stays open for days is a likely cause: the browser keeps growing in memory, and the undo history of the design grows with every step you take (it is kept in memory as well). Two things to try:
If it is still slow right after a fresh reload, please send me the .lyl file (drag it into a comment here), and tell me which browser you use. Then I can look at what makes it heavy. |
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I already rebooted my PC.. I`ll see how it goes. Not sure if I should create another topic but is there an easier way to select an imported shape if it overlaps another at the same height? I can click everywhere 20 times and not select it.. then on the 21st time it selects.. I do a lot of ' select a shape, duplicate, change that dupe to a hole and combine the hole with another shape to create a hole ( that leaves the original shape in there.. |
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@stainlessdmc12 thanks for the update, let me know how the design behaves after the restart. For selecting a body that sits under or inside another one, the object list helps: open it with the list button, and click the name of the body there, no matter what covers it in the view. You can also hide the body that is in the way (eye in the ribbon) or lock the ones that should stay put, so clicks no longer land on them. That it took you 20 clicks is not how it should feel. If you can send me the design as a .lyl file (drag it into a comment here), I will look at why that body is so hard to hit. |
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Object list does help :) thank you.. also something else I noticed.. If you create square shape, stretch the end to an oblong.. turn it however many degrees... then you want to extend again it remembers it needs to extend it properly ( unlike TC where you would end up with some trapazoid thing ) well done :) 34MB :/ zip file |
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@stainlessdmc12 thanks for the file, I opened it. The slowness comes from the number of triangles: the 55 imported SVG shapes and their copies add up to about 2.5 million triangles, and some single shapes have 30,000 to 47,000. That is a lot for the browser to draw on every move. What helps: lower the detail of the SVG (fewer curve points) before importing, or reduce the shapes with the simplify tool. Also, deleting old steps from the history makes the project smaller and faster to open. And glad the object list and the stretching of rotated shapes work well for you. |
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Two things that has helped me tremendously . Make sure your history is realistic, by that I mean don't set it at unlimited. Been there, done that, it created a lot of problems for me. I third thing that help, if you don't use fast mode, turn on fast mode or turn off all shadows. These have helped me a lot. |
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@grmonsey thank you, these are good tips, and no need to apologise. @stainlessdmc12 they fit your design well:
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ok thanks for the tips.. Also noticed that when I`m using the object list, hiding things... they just become un-hidden again |
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Why do these two white selections look different? |
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@stainlessdmc12 two questions so I can look at the right thing.
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1:If I remember correct I go back a step with ctrl-z and that seems to bring back all the hidden pieces. They all come back at once. |
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@stainlessdmc12 thanks, that explains both.
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ok thanks.. So no issues on both points :) |
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Another quibble ;) It happens in TC as well.. but in layerling.. doesn |
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@stainlessdmc12 good to hear both points are fine. The bits come from faces that lie exactly on top of each other. When the hole is the very same size as the part, the program has to decide on every edge whether the surface is "in" or "out", and tiny rounding differences leave thin slivers behind. That is why Tinkercad does it too. The fix is to make the hole a little bigger than what it should remove, mostly in height: raise it a bit and make it taller, say 0.5 mm below and above the part. Then no face of the hole lies on a face of the part, and the cut is clean. If the edges at the sides still leave bits, you can also make the hole a tiny bit wider (0.1 mm is enough). If bits are still left after that, please send me the file and I will look at it. |
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I made the duplicate hole piece taller and dropped it through the workplane a bit and combined.. still pieces left over. |
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@stainlessdmc12 thanks for trying it. Then the bits come from the side walls, where the hole and the part still lie exactly on top of each other, and making the hole taller does not change those. Could you send me the design (the .lyl file, or a backup with just this one)? Then I can see whether it is only those walls or something in the combine itself. |
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Yes it's tiny pieces of the walls at random points. |
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Creative Reality.zip |
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@stainlessdmc12 thanks for the file, that made it easy to find. It was a bug in layerling, not in your design: every hole was made a tiny bit wider by scaling it around its middle. On a small hole that is the same as making it wider all round, but on a long sign like yours it pushed both walls of a letter the same way, so one wall of the copy missed the original and left a thin strip. Holes that are imported, sketched or grouped are no longer scaled like that, so a copy set to hole now takes away exactly the part it was copied from. With the fix, your second case (two holes grouped, then grouped with the sign) also went through here without the "Could not cut this imported mesh cleanly" message. This comes with the next update; I will post here when it is out. |
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@stainlessdmc12 the fix is out in layerling 1.96.0. A copy of your sign set to hole now takes the whole sign away, without the thin strips of wall. Reload the page once if you still see the old version. |
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I`m still seeing the behavior. Along with my design being really sluggish.. back steps is set to 50.. my workplane is 1000 x 1000.. :/ So I drop a square.. when the mouse goes off the side of the screen I`m selecting hole then I click on the edge and drag it ... you can see how long the operation takes :/ |
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Been getting this alot this evening too when I hit combine. |
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@stainlessdmc12 thanks for the video and the screenshot. "Out of Memory" means the browser tab ran out of memory. Your design has about 2.5 million triangles, and every step with a big hole, like stretching it across the whole workplane or combining, has to be calculated on that, so it gets slow and at some point the tab gives up. The restart does not change that, the design itself is too heavy. What helps most: simplify the shapes that have 30,000 triangles or more, delete copies you do not need any more, and build parts in separate projects and bring them together only at the end. A hole that is only as big as the part it cuts is much lighter than one stretched over everything. Reload the page after a long session, and keep Fast mode on. One question: do you still see the little leftover bits when you make a fresh copy, after reloading the page (Ctrl+F5) so you have the new version? |
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Hi. Yes I still get the little bits of walls left over. I'm on very 199 or
something.
Oh. I didn't think it was a particular heavy design. Importing svgs I
didn't think would be bad. Ok I'll try simplifying things. Thanks again
for your help.
Darren
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@stainlessdmc12 <https://github.com/stainlessdmc12> thanks for the video
and the screenshot. "Out of Memory" means the browser tab ran out of
memory. Your design has about 2.5 million triangles, and every step with a
big hole, like stretching it across the whole workplane or combining, has
to be calculated on that, so it gets slow and at some point the tab gives
up. The restart does not change that, the design itself is too heavy.
What helps most: simplify the shapes that have 30,000 triangles or more,
delete copies you do not need any more, and build parts in separate
projects and bring them together only at the end. A hole that is only as
big as the part it cuts is much lighter than one stretched over everything.
Reload the page after a long session, and keep Fast mode on.
One question: do you still see the little leftover bits when you make a
fresh copy, after reloading the page (Ctrl+F5) so you have the new version?
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@stainlessdmc12 thank you for trying. The fix for the thin wall bits came in 1.96.0, so if you are on 1.99 you already have it, and if you still see bits then something else makes them. Could you do it once more with a small test: make the copy a hole, combine, and right after you see the bits, send a bug report from the editor (the Bug report link at the bottom). It has the whole design and the steps in it, so I can look at exactly that case. The version number stands at the bottom as well ("Release notes v1.xx"). The slowness is mostly the number of triangles, not the number of shapes, so simplifying the traced shapes will help the most. |
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What would you recommend reducing it to? I tried it and the rounded edges look terrible |
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@stainlessdmc12 there is no single number, it depends on the shape, but I would start gently: keep about 60 to 70 percent on the shapes with the most triangles (the 30,000+ ones) and look at the before and after view next to each other before you click Keep. Round edges go first when you cut too deep, so if they look bad, go back up. The small shapes do not need it at all. For the SVGs there is a better way: lower the detail before you import them, for example in Inkscape with Path > Simplify (Ctrl+L). Then the shape comes in with fewer curve points and its round edges stay smooth, because they are still curves in the file. Which value did you use, and on which shape? Then I can tell you more. |
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I don't use Inkscape.. When you import with TC.. it imports at a certain quality.. and you notice the round edges aren't round... but made up of straight edges. You move the slider to improve the quality the straight edges get smaller and smaller till they aren`t seen ( guessing they are still there but just too small to worry about ). This is going to be hard to explain but when I simplify in layerling.. the round edges don't appear squarer... the round edges end up looking dented and weird. |
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Just going back to the undo for a moment.. Just now I imported something.. then I moved it.. I pressed ctrl-z to go back a step and it removes the design.. I'm expecting it to undo the move.. then if I were to ctrl-z again it would remove the design ( second step ) I`ve noticed this a few times but not really worried about it till now. |
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@stainlessdmc12 thank you, now I see what you mean. In Tinkercad you choose the quality of the curves when a drawing comes in. In layerling an SVG comes in with one fixed curve detail and there is no setting for it. "Simplify" works afterwards on the finished triangles and takes them away over the whole shape, round edges included, so the more you take away, the more a round edge gets dents and corners. That is why it looks worse than a lower quality at import would. The best I can say today: simplify only the shapes with the most triangles, and not the round ones. About Undo: that should not happen, a move is a step of its own. To find it, could you tell me what you imported (an SVG, an STL, a Tinkercad file) and how you moved it (dragged with the mouse, with the arrow keys, or typed in the position fields)? And does it happen with every import or only with some? |
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ok thank you.. so I exported as a .SVG from Affinity. For the test I just grabbed it and dragged it.. Because my design fit snigly together with other shapes ( for the logo or whatever ) I need them to go back to where they were. |
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@stainlessdmc12 thank you, that helps. I tried it here with a small SVG: import, drag with the mouse, Ctrl+Z, and only the move went back, the shape stayed. So it depends on something in your file or your design. Could you send a bug report from the editor (the "Bug report" link) right after it happens, or the SVG from Affinity? The bug report also shows the steps before, which is what I need to see. |
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@stainlessdmc12 something that may help with your design: since 1.105.0 Simplify and grouping run in the background, so moving the Simplify slider and joining many shapes no longer freezes the editor. Moving shapes around is not changed by this, so a very heavy design can still feel slow there. What changed and what it brings: #800 |
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Browser keeps crashing and reverting to earlier edits. Or because it's not saving now when I refresh the browser it goes back a few edits... |
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@stainlessdmc12 thank you for the picture, and sorry that it keeps failing. "Could not save design shapes" without a reason means the save failed in a way layerling does not know; a full browser storage or a design that is too big would say so. As the browser crashes too, I think this design has simply become too heavy for the tab. Please do this first: save a copy as a file (Export, format LYL), so you have a safe copy that does not depend on the browser. When it reloads to an earlier state, it means the last saves did not go through, so the file is the newest. Then make the design lighter: delete the history in the History view, and simplify the heaviest shapes, the ones with 30,000 triangles and more. If it still happens after that, send a bug report from the editor right after the message appears, and tell me which browser and how much memory the computer has. |
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I reduced the size of the whole down .. and it`s not popped up anymore. The black outline in my design was 40000 so I reduced it a bit to 18k Looks a bit rough :/ wish it could keep the rounded parts better |
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Have you though about being about to copy/paste from TC... like you can do from TC to TC? I like the way the export in Layerling keeps all the individual pieces and colours when I open it in Affinity. Export options are brilliant! |
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@stainlessdmc12 good to hear the message is gone, and thank you for the kind words about the export. The rough curves: Simplify can only take triangles away by straightening the curves, so a large step always shows on the round parts. Two things help:
Copy and paste from Tinkercad: Tinkercad's copy only works inside Tinkercad; it does not put the shapes on the computer's clipboard, so no other program can paste them. There is a free tool from the community for this: Export to layerling by taylormadearmy. It is a bookmark that turns a Tinkercad design into a |
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Ok thank you.. is there anyway I import as a sketch? or do I have to export
a different way to what I`m doing now?
Darren
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@stainlessdmc12 <https://github.com/stainlessdmc12> good to hear the
message is gone, and thank you for the kind words about the export.
*The rough curves:* Simplify can only take triangles away by
straightening the curves, so a large step always shows on the round parts.
Two things help:
- Simplify that one outline more gently: undo it and keep more of it,
for example 60 to 70 % instead of less than half. The curves stay smoother,
and you still save a good part.
- Better still, let the outline come in as a sketch instead of a mesh.
An SVG with up to 2500 lines and curves comes in as a sketch body: its
curves stay true curves, it stays light however round it is, and you can
still edit it. Only a more detailed SVG comes in as a fixed mesh, and that
is where the 40,000 triangles came from. If Affinity can export the outline
with fewer nodes (a simplify or "reduce nodes" step on the curve before
exporting), it will most likely come in as a sketch and stay round.
*Copy and paste from Tinkercad:* Tinkercad's copy only works inside
Tinkercad; it does not put the shapes on the computer's clipboard, so no
other program can paste them. There is a free tool from the community for
this: Export to layerling
<https://taylormadearmy.github.io/tinkercad-layerling-importer/> by
taylormadearmy. It is a bookmark that turns a Tinkercad design into a .lyl
file in your browser, with its real shapes, which you then open or insert
in layerling (Import, then Open layerling design or Insert into this
design). It is not part of layerling, so for questions about it, ask there.
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@stainlessdmc12 There is no switch for it, layerling decides by itself when you import: an SVG with up to 2500 lines and curves comes in as a sketch, a more detailed one as a mesh. So it's the SVG itself that needs to change, not the way you import it. You can tell which one you got: a sketch shows Sketch body in its properties and opens for editing with a double click. Two ways to get under the limit:
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ok so in Affinity the imported svg from layerling looks like this
[image: image.png]
The white squares.. you're calling nodes right? just so we are talking
about the same thing :)
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@stainlessdmc12 <https://github.com/stainlessdmc12> There is no switch
for it, layerling decides by itself when you import: an SVG with up to 2500
lines and curves comes in as a sketch, a more detailed one as a mesh. So
it's the SVG itself that needs to change, not the way you import it. You
can tell which one you got: a sketch shows *Sketch body* in its
properties and opens for editing with a double click.
Two ways to get under the limit:
- Export the outline with fewer nodes. Curves need far fewer nodes
than you might think, and a sketch keeps them perfectly round however few
there are.
- Split the drawing: export the black outline as one SVG and the other
parts as separate SVGs, and import them one by one. The limit counts per
file, so each part can come in as a sketch.
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@stainlessdmc12 Yes, exactly, the white squares are the nodes. Each piece of the outline between two nodes is one of the "lines and curves" that count towards the 2500. (Your picture didn't come through on GitHub, by the way, replies by mail drop images, but the white squares are clear enough.) One thing to watch: an SVG exported from layerling is the wrong starting point here. layerling exports the mesh, so every round part is already cut into many short straight pieces, with a node at each corner. That's why you see so many squares. Export the outline from your original Affinity drawing instead. There the round parts are real curves with only a few nodes each, so it should come in as a sketch and stay smooth. |
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ok thanks for that..
I normally do export from Affinity.. so if my design has four shapes ( four
colours ) then I have to export for items... I was just looking for a way
to export one file with all the bits inside.. rather than four indiviual
pieces. :)
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@stainlessdmc12 <https://github.com/stainlessdmc12> Yes, exactly, the
white squares are the nodes. Each piece of the outline between two nodes is
one of the "lines and curves" that count towards the 2500. (Your picture
didn't come through on GitHub, by the way, replies by mail drop images, but
the white squares are clear enough.)
One thing to watch: an SVG exported from layerling is the wrong starting
point here. layerling exports the mesh, so every round part is already cut
into many short straight pieces, with a node at each corner. That's why you
see so many squares. Export the outline from your original Affinity drawing
instead. There the round parts are real curves with only a few nodes each,
so it should come in as a sketch and stay smooth.
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@stainlessdmc12 good news, you don't need four files: export the whole drawing as one SVG with its four colours. Since 1.107.0 layerling brings a drawing of several colours in as one body per colour, each in its colour and in its place. I need to correct what I wrote earlier: the 2500 lines and curves don't count for the whole file then, but for each colour on its own. So the four parts are checked one by one, and each that stays under the limit comes in as a sketch. I tried it here with one SVG of four shapes in black, red, green and blue: four sketch bodies, in their colours and where they were in the drawing. The colour that has to be lighter is usually the black outline, as it carries the most nodes. If it still comes in as a mesh, that is the one to export with fewer nodes. |
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What I mean is.. my currennt setup with TC. I design it in Affinty.. export
each colour/shape from there into TC.. arrange it etc... so it`s printable.
If the file is relatively easy I export the different pieces as a save.
You said not to export from Layerling that way? I like that you can export
the svg and it comprises the elements.. but it`s not high quality..
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@stainlessdmc12 <https://github.com/stainlessdmc12> good news, you don't
need four files: export the whole drawing as one SVG with its four colours.
Since 1.107.0 layerling brings a drawing of several colours in as one body
per colour, each in its colour and in its place.
I need to correct what I wrote earlier: the 2500 lines and curves don't
count for the whole file then, but for each colour on its own. So the four
parts are checked one by one, and each that stays under the limit comes in
as a sketch. I tried it here with one SVG of four shapes in black, red,
green and blue: four sketch bodies, in their colours and where they were in
the drawing.
The colour that has to be lighter is usually the black outline, as it
carries the most nodes. If it still comes in as a mesh, that is the one to
export with fewer nodes.
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@stainlessdmc12 sorry, I wasn't clear. Your way of working is fine in layerling too. My warning was only about one thing: don't take an SVG that layerling exported and use it as the starting file again, to import it back or to edit it in Affinity. layerling makes that SVG from the 3D bodies, so its round parts are already cut into many short straight pieces. That's the lower quality you noticed. So the way round is:
Affinity stays the place for the drawing, and layerling's own SVG export is meant for laser cutters and templates, not for going back into Affinity. |
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ok thank you.. 
The outside of the O's aren`t getting imported. The only thing different with them is I used an elipse tool rather than the node tool. It imports ok into other programs.. |
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@stainlessdmc12 thank you, that helps to narrow it down. In the picture the keyhole shapes of the two "o" came in, but the ring around them did not, and you say it is the only difference that these two are made with the ellipse tool. I cannot tell why from the picture alone. Could you attach the SVG here, or a small one with only the two "o"? Then I can see how Affinity writes the ellipse and why layerling skips it. |
[temple_of_terror_01.elipses.svg.zip](https://github.com/user-attachments/files/33915498/temple_of_terror_01.elipses.svg.zip)
Elipses from Affinity. |
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@stainlessdmc12 thank you, the file in your mail was enough to find it. Both ellipses are written as |
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Thank you.. I can get round it.. just interested as to why it works in TC and SimpCAD. |
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Admittedly.. I`ve had my browser tab open for a few days... but moving imported SVGs or adding blocks etc has become very sluggish.
Not sure how I can help you right now... Unluess I reboot and open my design again maybe.
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