BRouter profiles in Cruiser

[devemux86]

Use BRouter profiles inside Cruiser.

This allows the use of modified BRouter profiles that can ignore certain road restrictions with a switch in Cruiser settings.
The profiles will be in the Cruiser /media/ folder so you can edit them.

Modified profiles (look for "ignore_barrier"):

• car-fast-cruiser.brf.zip
• car-eco-cruiser.brf.zip

[devemux86]

The mapping of Cruiser to BRouter profiles currently is:

Cruiser	BRouter
Car	car-fast-cruiser + ignore_barrier
Motorcycle	car-eco-cruiser + ignore_barrier
Bike	fastbike
Mountain bike	trekking
Walking	shortest
Hiking	hiking-mountain

Brouter profiles inside Cruiser /media/ folder can be seen in the image above.

[devemux86]

BRouter profiles with detailed settings are available inside Cruiser 3.0.20.

And a new option to ignore road restrictions that are active now on the map.

Please see above for the details!

[MotoUKRider]

Just tried this, worked great! Leaving the ignore_barrier off diverted me (like a standard profile) and enabling it behaved as my custom profile, routing me over the level-crossing :)

[0709wiwiwi]

Question.
Two profiles2 folders are now present. (Both are needed).

• Main_storage>Android>media>gr.talent.cruiser>brouter>profiles2: xxx.brf
• Sd card>Android>media>btools.routingapp>brouter>profiles2: xxx.brf

Which of the two does exactly what now ?
Where to place and select a custom profile ?

[0709wiwiwi]

Emux, what is for you the most stable mode of operation in Cruiser ?

1. Either you keep those original default Cruiser profiles2 intact.
   You the designer hold the reins, with a stable set up for all.

2. Or you allow to manipulate the default Cruiser profiles2 anyway.

For example.
#170 (reply in thread)
Suppose I want to use and add that reroute.brf for example.
reroute.brf.txt

Q: How to optimally add and set custom profiles ?

• In the Cruiser profiles2 folder ?
• In the Brouter profiles 2 folder ?

[devemux86]

@0709wiwiwi

As already mentioned above, Cruiser now uses the BRouter profiles from Cruiser /media/ folder.
And users can still edit them if they like to make changes (the mapping is also mentioned above).

Cruiser will not overwrite the profiles with app updates, so users will keep their changes.
If there is need to publish new BRouter profiles, they can be with new versioned names:
e.g. car-eco-cruiser2.brf

[devemux86]

If you mean the mapping process of BRouter app, it's very flexible, but many users don't understand it?
If we want to also use the profiles from BRouter /media/ folder, I can check it. Do we want it?

The idea is to keep things simple for most users and still give power users the ability to edit the existing profiles.
e.g. #175 (comment)

[WolfgangZ42]

To understand it right (correct me im necessary):

• we use the standard BRouter .brf files from Cruiser/media folder
• changes are only effective in these file (Cruiser/media)
• such changes must be backed up by myself
• in principle, the BRouter app must only be installed but never called outside of Cruiser?
• or is the BRouter app obsolete anyway?
• today the NoGoArea veto works regardless of the selected profiles (I know, this is a fairly singular problem)

As far as I get the information of new installed .brf files I can re-establish my changes - no problem. And if the avoid, speed, barrier, misplaced and catching values can be specified directly in Cruiser there is no need for any change in .brf files for me - at moment.

[devemux86]

@WolfgangZ42 you are correct.

BRouter app must only be installed but never called outside of Cruiser

Exactly, BRouter app is used for the route calculations and is called by Cruiser.
Cruiser also uses BRouter download manager (menu "Map | Downloads | BRouter").

NoGoArea veto works regardless of the selected profiles

All other functions of BRouter app continue to work as usual.

And if the avoid, speed, barrier, misplaced and catching values can be specified directly in Cruiser there is no need for any change in .brf files for me - at moment.

This is exactly the idea of the BRouter integration in Cruiser: offer a simple and user friendly BRouter experience.

Without having to edit profile files, unless it is absolutely necessary.
e.g. some options can only be changed inside the profile files

And we can always make this better, this is just the first implementation. 🙂

We could also think of a better way to use customized profiles, see here: #175 (comment)

[devemux86]

I compared the Graphhopper curvy profile to the BRouter mopped profile=>almost similar results.
Disadvantage: Villages are not bypassed although there is a bypass. Annoying.
I muddled around a motorcycle profile for BRouter.
It reacts strongly to the set speed.
Villages are bypassed from 75 km/h. Still preferred small roads.
car-eco-cruiser.brf.txt

Originally posted by @Leeb64 in #166 (comment).

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@Leeb64 thanks, your changes are very interesting!
It would be nice if other users download and test it. 🙂

If there are more BRouter options that can be changed with the UI, I will add them to Cruiser.
And if we find a profile that is good for offline curvy routes, I can include it in Cruiser as well.

[DolomitesTom]

I am completely lost now how this all works together. When parameters in Cruiser are changed, which files in which folder on which drive (internal or SD drive) is updated and how this applies to the Brouter routing? And which files can be individually edited for example with this urban 30 thing to avoid bigger cities. And which speed I have to set in order to use small roads? In Germany the allowed speed is 100 km/h on main streets as well as secondary streets.
I have no clue which speed to set in order to use secondary roads? And in which file is this saved?

[devemux86]

@DolomitesTom

It is explained with images (and the path) in the announcement above:

• BRouter profiles in Cruiser #175 (comment)

First see if the BRouter options in the Cruiser settings are enough for your needs.
Then if you still need to edit the BRouter profiles, see the 2nd image, they are in the Cruiser /media/ folder.

[DolomitesTom]

What do I need to do in the Brouter App to map the new names?

[devemux86]

BRouter app is now only used for the route calculations.
The profiles and everything else is handled inside Cruiser.

The mapping is mentioned above:

• BRouter profiles in Cruiser #175 (comment)

[Leeb64]

The profiles that can be selected by the Cruiser are stored in main storage/Android/media/gr,talent/cruiser/brouter/profiles2.
if you want to use your own profile instead of the original=>rename the original profile(e.g.:xxx..original.brf,
then give your own profile the name of the renamed profile.

In the profile modified by me, small roads are taken at 50 km/h, but it also leads through towns.
At 100km/h it is more on federal roads and less through towns. (if there are bypasses)
I myself usually choose 75km/h.
Normally a WP should be set every 50-100km.
It also depends on the area.
Just do some route planning at different speeds to see what happens.
In contrast to the "Moped" profile, highways are also used when you place waypoints on them.
The moped profile doesn't do that.

[0709wiwiwi]

Thanks for that usefull info.

I want to use the reroute.prf profile.
So I first rename this to shortest.prf

File explorer > Go to the Android media Cruiser profiles2 folder

• Replace name shortest.brf name to old.shortest.brf
• Place the renamed reroute.brf as shortest.brf
• Then in the Cruiser Routing menu:
• Select Profile Walking
• Service Brouter (offline)
  (By the way works)

Simplified ? On the contrary. Horrifyingly complex.

[Leeb64]

there is still room for improvement...

[devemux86]

This is how it works in BRouter too: backup current profile > copy new profile.

Unless the BRouter mapping dialog with fast / short are easier to understand?
(see images here: #175 (reply in thread))

Anyway we can always discuss for improvements. Please make your suggestions. 🙂

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Note that if we want to offer extra options (like the new ignore_barrier)
or custom profiles in the future, they need to be hosted inside Cruiser.

Also most users want to use a user interface, not edit files on Android.

[devemux86]

How about a "Open BRouter profile" dialog for the active profile?
(like open map or theme)

Then your BRouter profiles can be anywhere in the Android file system.

[0709wiwiwi]

Current Cruiser Brouter.
You have 6 x Menu preselections associated with 6 x fixed profile.brf .
Complex is that a custom profile.brf has to be renamed into 1 out of the 6.
And the menu name that does not match the profile.brf name.

[devemux86]

Do you mean to rename the BRouter .brf in Cruiser to car, motorcycle, bike, hiking, ...?
They are the original BRouter profile files or (power) users will not recognize the profiles.

This the same mapping with the BRouter app, see the BRouter images above: #175 (reply in thread)

So I could add a dialog to switch between the internal BRouter profile (selected by Cruiser settings)
or allow to open an external profile file. The menu could be like this:

BRouter profile
Internal profile: car-eco-cruiser
Open profile

What do you think?

[WolfgangZ42]

The "normal" user will not want to know which .brf files are assigned to the individual profiles. Even less will he want to edit them. And the "power" user knows the environment and can edit the default .brf files after backing them up. The extension mentioned here complicates the Cruiser:BRouter interface unnecessarily in my opinion.

[devemux86]

@WolfgangZ42

We could "hide" this option behind an "Advanced" screen as last button in the below image?
(as we have "Advanced" screens in other settings)

[devemux86]

How about something like this:

• Cruiser settings: select profile, e.g. motorcycle
• BRouter settings: shows active profile (internal: selected automatically)
• BRouter profile dialog: Active (internal), Open external
• Open external profile: e.g. moped.brf
• BRouter settings: shows active profile (external: opened earlier)
• BRouter profile dialog: Internal, Active (external), Open external

[1maxi2]

Vorerst danke für die Antworten.
Bedeutet das das ich die Karten 2x herunterladen muss. 1x für Cruiser und 1x für die offline Planung mit Brouter ?

[DolomitesTom]

Ja, es sind aber unterschiedliche Kartendaten, Mapsforge für die Kartenansicht offline und Brouter für Planung und Routenberechnung offline.

[devemux86]

I plan to improve the download experience.
Could ask to download multiple data together (maps / poi / routing), so users don't have to handle multiple screens.

Ich plane, das Download-Erlebnis zu verbessern.
Könnte bitten, mehrere Daten zusammen herunterzuladen (Karten / poi / Routing), so dass Benutzer nicht haben, um mehrere Bildschirme zu behandeln.

[1maxi2]

Ja, es sind aber unterschiedliche Kartendaten, Mapsforge für die Kartenansicht offline und Brouter für Planung und Routenberechnung offline.

Bedeutet das meine Planung auf kleinsten Strassen z.B. in Slowenien wird dann mit Brouter anders geroutet als in Cruiser geplant

[devemux86]

@1maxi2

To use small roads, you can enable the avoid options in the BRouter settings and also reduce the "vmax".

Um kleine Straßen zu verwenden, können Sie die Vermeidungsoptionen in den BRouter-Einstellungen aktivieren und auch die "vmax" verringern.

[0709wiwiwi]

Organise tightly in a single location, don't wildly distribute everything.

Place the Cruiser profiles2 folder in Android data or media where the maps graphs poi are present.
Only the profiles.brf located in the Cruiser profiles2 folder are eligible.

The standard user.

• Uses the default Cruiser Android data folder configured on install.
• Uses the default profiles2 folder location with six preinstalled default profiles.brf.
• Menu seven Custom > As Custom has nothing extra to offer is GREYED OUT.

The advanced user.

• If one succeeds to search find and add profiles he is already advanced.
• Freely chooses Android data or media in phone or sd card memory.
• Uses a capable file explorer with Android data and media access
• Add additional profiles directly in the Cruiser profiles2 folder.

Match Menu and the corresponding 6 Cruiser specific profile brf names.

Menu <=> Profile_Cruiser.brf

1. Car <=> Car_Cruiser.brf
2. Motor <=> Motor_Cruiser.brf
3. Cycle <=> Cycle_Cruiser.brf
4. MTB <=> MTB_Cruiser.brf
5. Walk <=> Walk_Cruiser.brf
6. Hike <=> Hike_Cruiser.brf
7. Custom <=> Free selection.

[devemux86]

BRouter profiles in Cruiser should be simple for everyone:

• Normal users just select BRouter (offline) and start routing immediately using only Cruiser settings
  (they do not need to know and bother with profiles)

• Power users who want to use (and edit) external profiles can place them anywhere in phone storage
  and use the new "Open external profile" function to open / activate them

  • Then there is probably no longer need for internal BRouter profiles to be public in Cruiser media

[1maxi2]

Danke an alle. Das installieren von Brouter und erste Versuche haben soweit geklappt.
Als Fan von kleinen Routen kann ich folgende Route nicht planen welche ich schon gefahren bin und welche regulär zu befahren ist. In der alten kurviger app ist das problemlos möglich.Wo liegt mein Fehler ?
https://kurv.gr/KzBMh

[devemux86]

@1maxi2

Thanks for the report, I moved your example in #180.
Danke für den Bericht, ich habe Ihr Beispiel in #180 verschoben.

[0709wiwiwi]

[devemux86]

It should be better for publish / maintain future profiles and simpler for most users
to not have the BRouter profiles visible in Cruiser.

Also with the new "Open external profile" feature,
power users can easily use custom profiles from any location on phone's storage.

Then Cruiser may use a simpler internal mapping:

Cruiser	BRouter
Car / Motorcycle	car-cruiser
Bike	fastbike
Mountain bike	trekking
Walking / Hiking	hiking-mountain

For now we only modified the BRouter profile for car / motorcycle with extra options.

[WolfgangZ42]

It should be better for publish / maintain future profiles and simpler for most users
to not have the BRouter profiles visible in Cruiser.

I agree.

Cruiser	BRouter
Car / Motorcycle	car-cruiser

But: I'd vote for different profiles for Car and Motorcycle, same .brf file is okay if with own sets of "overrides". I'm using Cruiser for both (based on different .pref files).

[devemux86]

I'd vote for different profiles for Car and Motorcycle

This is for the internal .brf file (will not be visible to users).
As both profiles have the same screen in Cruiser settings.

Cruiser .pref files can load different options for the same screen, so we can use Cruiser with any vehicle.

What do you think?

[0709wiwiwi]

to not have the BRouter profiles visible in Cruiser.

Offer not only import external.brf file but also offer the export of the currently active Cruiser profile .brf file.
A copy of the current active Cruiser profiles.brf usefull as template to rebuilt and propose as a custom brf in the forum.
You either reject the shown proposal or accept it and then can provide the adapted default brf into the next Cruiser update.
By the way you already will demonstrate this working update method in your next Cruiser update.
#180 (reply in thread)

[devemux86]

@0709wiwiwi thanks for the suggestion.

If it is about only getting that 1 profile, it seems easier to receive it in the forum.
As the edit of profiles is easier on desktop and testing at the BRouter website.

[devemux86]

BRouter car-cruiser profile is now available in Cruiser 3.0.21
with the new options use_tracks and ignore_barrier for Car / Motorcycle.

The other Cruiser modes (Bike, Mountain bike, Walking, Hiking) use the original BRouter profiles.

Also the "Settings | Routing | BRouter (offline) | Advanced | BRouter profile" displays the active BRouter profile
and allows to "Open external profile" from any location in the device storage.

[Ciutnik]

Is it to be expected that the /storage/emulated/0/Android/media/gr.talent.cruiser folder will be completely cleared? Somewhere I lost the .brf profiles I created. It's not a problem, because I can recreate them from memory in my head (I didn't have a copy on the disk) 😉

[devemux86]

@Ciutnik

By the way can you share what changes you do to BRouter profiles,
that are not covered by the recent new BRouter settings in Cruiser?

[0709wiwiwi]

I had taken my precautions anyway with a copy where my maps graphs and poi's are also located.

@ Emux.
Can the next not be optimised ?
Routing > Options > 3 x 2 menu.
Why no selectable 6 (+1) menu ?
No extra need to go into settings.

[devemux86]

@0709wiwiwi what do you mean?

A previous Cruiser had the 3 travel modes x 2 route types mapped to BRouter.
Very few knew how exactly to use it and it also required the BRouter app.

Then a later Cruiser had a specific setting for 6 BRouter profiles, none liked it.

Most users do not know or understand easily the BRouter terms and profiles.
They expect a global application profile for car, motorcycle, bike, hiking, etc.

Everything else better be "hidden" and automatic to avoid confusion.
Unless they are power users and know more about BRouter profiles.
Then they can use the "Open external profile".

[0709wiwiwi]

You don't even have to declare which (brf) is behind the selection bike or mtb.
But if you want to select one of the two, you still have to go through settings first?
That extra selection is still necessary because bike or mtb profiles already behave differently when you want to cross a ferry.
Bike avoids the ferry faster than MTB. Even if you have disabled ferry avoidance. No?

[devemux86]

BRouter has 2 different profiles for the bikes:

• fast-bike
• trekking

I have yet to look at the bike profiles in such depth.
If there are adjustments that can be useful, we could create bike-cruiser or trekking-cruiser variants?

[Ciutnik]

can you share what changes you do to BRouter profiles,
that are not covered by the recent new BRouter settings in Cruiser?

Probably no longer needed: Wanting to avoid ruthlessly avoiding highways (I don't like, I don't want, but sometimes I have to), I never decided to set the parameter assign avoid_motorways = true. So I used the trick mentioned here (because I didn't know the possibility of the parameter e.g. min if is_avoided_motorway then 1 else 999). In a similar way, I wanted to force the avoidance of urban areas, although I'm not sure if it was effective.

Of course, the ability to choose your own .brf profile in the settings solves the problem and opens the way to further experiments 👍

[devemux86]

Detailed avoidances with levels for the Cruiser modified driving BRouter profile are available in Cruiser 3.0.23.

"Settings | Routes | BRouter (offline) | Car, Motorcycle".

For more info, please see above:

• BRouter profiles in Cruiser #175 (comment)

[devemux86]

the difference in avoidance between 0% and 10% is huge

We can certainly adjust it. 🙂

Also depends on the area and the other avoidances (i.e. available roads).
In some tests I saw difference in the 90-100% range.

[Ciutnik]

So maybe temporarily, only for testing, make the scale resolution available every 1%? I know it's crazy, but in situations like above it would help to find optimal values.

[devemux86]

make the scale resolution available every 1%?

We could do this! 🙂

[MotoUKRider]

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the 10% scale "issue". Tried a long route that is easy via motorway but offers countless possibilities for smaller roads and only the 10% setting would veer me off the M1!

[devemux86]

Everyone, if you have specific route examples, please post OpenStreetMap links so we can check the tags of the ways.

[MotoUKRider]

Is there (another) speed discrepancy issue with BRouter in this latest app update? Using the in-built Cruiser profile (no avoidances), I'm getting over 6hrs for a 175-mile "direct A-to-B" trip which GraphHopper, Google and my slightly tweaked BRouter (no_barrier) profile say is around 3hr10min (which it normally is +/- traffic etc). Online BRouter "car-fast" gives expected ~3hr route duration.

I tried adjusting the Average+Max Speed settings to no effect.

It seems as though Cruiser' internal BRouter Profile is expecting me to drive at 35mph for the entire journey?!

[devemux86]

@MotoUKRider probably, however until there is a solution in abrensch/brouter#568 for BRouter's driving profiles,
users complain that the routing does not work because BRouter cannot snap the waypoints on the road network.

By the way it seems that Locus also uses @poutnikl profiles.

[MotoUKRider]

I've tried this poutnikl profile and line 271 onwards includes a few "eco" values which I suspect provide some trade-off between speed, fuel-economy vs duration etc.

I used BRouter Online with this profile and loaded my 175-mile 3h10m journey. It showed as over 6hr... By editing the Eco multipliers down to 1.00 I was able to reduce the duration by an hour. It may be possible for me to identify more if/or/else statements and adjust without upsetting the relaxed waypoint margins that you need.

From what I can see (and my profile editing skills are fair-to-medium!), the profile is quite "busy" with clauses, sub-clauses and statements that may conflict. Although able to provide the fancy off-road/direct routing it is currently failing at calculating a simple A-to-B route with some degree of accuracy (and we know it's not the road/OSM tags at fault).

I guess we need the file to be as generic as possible with Cruiser handling the "fancy" stuff via checkboxes and sliders?!

[poutnikl]

You should rather try Car-FastEco and its variants, as it gives trade off between fuel consumption and speed.

Not that ETA is not calculated directly by profiles, but internally by Brouter,

[MotoUKRider]

ETA is not calculated directly by profiles, but internally by Brouter,

I've just demonstrated above that this is NOT the case here - Without knowing the exact profile that Cruiser is internally using in this build I can't do more - but my test conclusively showed how profile parameters affect the duration offered within Cruiser in "Route" mode (not "Average Speed" mode).

Also proving my statement is that Cruiser was fine in the previous build - BRouter hasn't been changed, it's a profile thing.

That's the problem identified and I've gone someway towards a proven solution, which means (hopefully) one or two of us bright sparks can fine-tune the driving parameters as I mentioned above.

[devemux86]

After everyone's recent feedback and also @poutnikl's comment here: abrensch/brouter#568 (comment)

We will use again BRouter's kinematic profile, obviously heavily modified to offer various options to users:

• BRouter profiles in Cruiser #175 (comment)

I am currently doing the final tests and will release a new Cruiser soon. 🙂

[Leeb64]

This new BRouter function with the adjustable avoidances does not work correctly!
Depending on the setting, roads that are closed to cars or motorcycles are used.
That's not so good...
I preferred the previous version!

[devemux86]

@Leeb64 what do you mean "closed"?
The routing depends on the OpenStreetMap tags.

Please post a specific route example to check the tags.
Also the BRouter settings to reproduce the report. 🙂

Note: you can disable the "Ignore closed roads" setting.

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You can open BRouter external profiles in Cruiser advanced settings.

[Leeb64]

Sorry... it seems to be working now.
In the settings:
Avoid Motorway:90%,Main Roads:50%,Secondary:Off,Tertiary:20%,Residential Roads:80%
The device often calculated routes here through the field on paths closed to public transport.
It also made huge detours.
Now that I wanted to reproduce it again, it works.
False alarm.
Maybe some setting was wrong...

[devemux86]

The previous profile only had avoid motorways, all other road types were included in routing.

Now we can customize practically everything.

Important: if we enable (strong) avoidances on too many road types,
then the routing will have no roads to use and can lead to strange results. 🙂

[Leeb64]

At the risk of being annoying... But no false alarm:
Settings: toll: 100%, ferries: off, motorway: 100%, main roads: 20%, secondary roads: 10%, tritary roads: off, residential roads: 50%, unpaved: 100%
I just renamed the Kurviger file (.TXT) to upload it. I hope that works...
According to the OSM, the route on the picture (Fuchsgraben) is only free for the access for the farms and for agriculture.
In parts, you will also be directed to cycle paths next to the road

test.TXT

[devemux86]

@Leeb64 thanks for the example.
Now it's time to optimize the profile and settings based on everyone's feedback. 🙂

Do you mean this way? https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/668351459
It is highway=track tracktype=grade1.

In a previous report, such type was used in a road leading to a hotel: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/27077063

• More 6000 km with Cruiser in France Spain and Portugal #182 (comment)

See also here:

• BRouter tracktype=grade1 #180

Maybe we need to add the grade1 in "Avoid unpaved" or a separate setting?

[Leeb64]

This path is allowed for visitors to the farms.
->motor_vehicle: designated
the occasional use of cycle paths is bad.
I also have the feeling that the calculation takes much longer...
The whole thing has to work much more simply and reliably.
A new cruiser user give up immediatly....I think.
Maybe 2 or 3 preset (working) avoidance types that everyone can optimize themselves with a reset option...

[devemux86]

@Leeb64 thanks for the feedback.

Remember BRouter default profiles use strict ban (not simple avoid) for the avoidances.

Also there were reports that the tracktype=grade1 should be usable:

• More 6000 km with Cruiser in France Spain and Portugal #182 (comment)
• BRouter tracktype=grade1 #180

So we try to find the best solution for everyone and this can only work with settings. 🙂

[devemux86]

I also have the feeling that the calculation takes much longer...

This should be expected, any avoidance puts more work to the phone cpu to find the available roads.

Maybe 2 or 3 preset (working) avoidance types

I wrote about it above: #175 (comment)

But first we have to make tests and decide for the presets.

[devemux86]

I am working on a new Cruiser driving profile based on BRouter car-vario.

• Work on BRouter profile, so new extensions are automatically included
  Possible extensions in the Brouter with news tags abrensch/brouter#486 (comment)
• Allow tracktype=grade1 via a "Use gravel roads" switch?
  (default off to avoid surprises, mentioned above)
• Use on / off avoidances for user convenience?
  Consider variable avoidances as we better learn the costs
• Separate the avoidances for Car and Motorcycle
• Motorcycle routing will additionally use roads with motorcycle tags

I can release it soon. Do you find this roadmap ok?

[devemux86]

Preview of the new detailed settings:

[Ciutnik]

I see you've given up on individual avoidance level settings. It certainly simplifies the configuration but I hope we won't lose any functionality. We'll see how the router behaves 🙂

[devemux86]

@Ciutnik

I want to explore more the possibilities, as we see that there is quite a variation in the cost of avoidances.

By the way, if anyone wants to play with it, you can try the car profiles on the website, see profile line 188 (for motorways).

[devemux86]

The new custom BRouter driving profile settings are available in Cruiser 3.0.24.

Separate profile settings for Car + Motorcycle.

[MotoUKRider]

Thanks for the changes - these seem to work very well.

[Leeb64]

I played around with BRouter Web Client and this profile.
This is faster than offline with the smartphone....
I try to change the parameters in such a way that localities, if possible, are bypassed - although the smallest possible streets are used.

I have changed this:
assign vmax = 80 # %vmax% | Target speed (in km/h) | number
assign recup_efficiency = 1 # %recup_efficiency% | (ratio) | number
assign totalweight = 200 # %totalweight% | Total weight of the car (in kg) | number
assign f_roll = 400 # %f_roll% | Rolling friction (in Newton) | number
assign f_air = 0.4 # %f_air% | Drag force (in Newton / (m/s)^2), 0.5cwA*rho | number
assign f_recup = 1000 # %f_recup% | Newton | number
assign p_standby = 250 # %p_standby% | Watt | number

I also changed the speeds of various roads:
assign maxspeed_implicit =
switch highway=motorway 999
switch highway=motorway_link 130
switch highway=trunk 250
switch highway=trunk_link 100
switch highway=primary|primary_link 100
switch highway=secondary|secondary_link 90
switch highway=tertiary|tertiary_link 80
switch highway=unclassified 30 <-- from 50 to 30
switch route=ferry 10
switch highway=bridleway 10
switch isresidentialorliving 20 <--from 30 to 20
switch highway=service 30
switch highway=track|road|path switch tracktype=grade1 30 5
0

assign maxspeed_forward =
switch maxspeed:forward=50 50
switch maxspeed:forward=30 30
switch maxspeed:forward=10 10
switch maxspeed:forward=20 20
switch maxspeed:forward=40 40
switch maxspeed:forward=60 60
switch maxspeed:forward=70 70
switch maxspeed:forward=80 80
switch maxspeed:forward=90 90
switch maxspeed:forward=100 100
switch maxspeed:forward=110 110
switch maxspeed:forward=120 120
switch maxspeed:forward=130 130
switch maxspeed:forward=urban 30 <---from 50 to 30
switch maxspeed:forward=rural 100
999

assign maxspeed_backward =
switch maxspeed:backward=50 50
switch maxspeed:backward=30 30
switch maxspeed:backward=10 10
switch maxspeed:backward=20 20
switch maxspeed:backward=40 40
switch maxspeed:backward=60 60
switch maxspeed:backward=70 70
switch maxspeed:backward=80 80
switch maxspeed:backward=90 90
switch maxspeed:backward=100 100
switch maxspeed:backward=110 110
switch maxspeed:backward=120 120
switch maxspeed:backward=130 130
switch maxspeed:backward=urban 30 <--from 50 to 30
switch maxspeed:backward=rural 100
999

assign maxspeed_explicit =
switch maxspeed=50 50
switch maxspeed=30 30
switch maxspeed=10 10
switch maxspeed=20 20
switch maxspeed=40 40
switch maxspeed=60 60
switch maxspeed=70 70
switch maxspeed=80 80
switch maxspeed=90 90
switch maxspeed=100 100
switch maxspeed=110 110
switch maxspeed=120 120
switch maxspeed=130 130
switch maxspeed=urban 30 <--from 50 to 30
switch maxspeed=rural 100
if reversedirection=yes then maxspeed_backward else maxspeed_forward

I think the result is not bad.

[devemux86]

@Leeb64 thanks!

I will include again the vmax as a setting.

The road types can be included as on / off avoidances, as speeds could be complicated (?) for users to understand.

About the other assign options (under vmax), the totalweight seems useful.
Do you understand the other options or why have you changed them? Do you see changes in routing?

[Leeb64]

I tried a lot...
assign recup_efficiency = 1 ## I think mountains are not avoided
assign totalweight = 500 ## more curvy roads/mountains
switch highway=unclassified 30 <-- from 50 to 30 ##avoiding dirt roads
switch maxspeed:forward=urban 30 <---from 50 to 30 ## avoiding citys

you have to try a lot. I haven't found any explanations yet...

[devemux86]

Based on this discussion:

• Kinematic model total energy abrensch/brouter#177

The recup / standby parameters should be for electric vehicles?

[Leeb64]

I think so.

[ToToGSARider]

Im Punkt Routen - Dienst - BRouter ohne Offline nutzt den direkten Weg ohne Kurven und berechnet Online?

In the item Routes - Service - BRouter without offline uses the direct route without curves and calculates online?

[devemux86]

@ToToGSARider

The straight line profile is only available in BRouter (offline).

To avoid major roads and use "curvy" small roads, you can use BRouter (offline) and the new avoid options.
See here: #175 (reply in thread)

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Das geradlinige Profil ist nur in BRouter (offline) verfügbar.

Um Hauptstraßen zu vermeiden und "kurvige" kleine Straßen zu nutzen, können Sie BRouter (offline) und die neuen Vermeidungsoptionen verwenden.
Siehe hier: #175 (reply in thread)

[ToToGSARider]

Ich möchte das dafür verwenden, um zum Beispiel auf dem direkten Weg nach Hause zu kommen. Ich hinterlege also in der WunderlinQ App meinen Heimatort und sage dann direkt Fahre nach Hause. Hatte das mal probiert mit BRouter Online und das sh echt gut aus.

I would like to use this, for example, to get home on the direct route. So I store in the WunderlinQ app my home town and then say directly drive home. I tried this with BRouter Online and it looks really good.

[ToToGSARider]

BRouter Offline haben ich in der kompletten Zeit von K1 (2020) und K2 (bis 2023) nie benötigt. Ich habe eigentlich immer alles komplett auf kurviger vorgeplant und ich habe auch immer die Neuberechnung deaktiviert. Bei Baustellen Folge ich der Umleitung und ggf. nutze ich den Zoom am Motorrad mit dem WunderlinQ und schaue wo ich wieder auf die Route komme.

I never needed BRouter Offline during the entire period of K1 (2020) and K2 (until 2023). I have actually always pre-planned everything completely on curviger and I have also always deactivated the recalculation. At road works I follow the detour and if necessary I use the zoom on the bike with the WunderlinQ and look where I come back on the route.

[ToToGSARider]

Um die verschiedenen Routingprofile ggf. doch nutzen zu können, genügt es den BRouter zu installieren und dann im Cruiser einfach die Profile zu ändern, oder muß ich trotzdem in die Datenverzeichnisse und dort Dinge ändern? Sind die Schritte die man ganz oben sieht noch erforderlich?

To be able to use the different routing profiles if necessary, is it enough to install the BRouter and then simply change the profiles in the Cruiser, or do I still have to go into the data directories and change things there? Are the steps you see at the top still necessary?

[devemux86]

@ToToGSARider

You just need to select the profile: Motorcycle and service: BRouter (offline).
Also download your regions with BRouter downloader for offline routing, see here:

• BRouter (external) guide #137

Then you can play with BRouter's avoidance options, which can seen here: #175 (reply in thread)

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Sie müssen nur das Profil auswählen: Motorrad und Service: BRouter (offline).
Laden Sie Ihre Regionen auch mit dem BRouter-Downloader für Offline-Routing herunter, siehe hier:

• BRouter (external) guide #137

Dann können Sie mit den Vermeidungsoptionen von BRouter spielen, die Sie hier sehen: #175 (reply in thread)

[ToToGSARider]

Okay, werden die BRouter Offline Profile auch berücksichtigt beim Online BRouter Dienst?

Okay, are the BRouter offline profiles also taken into account in the online BRouter service?

[devemux86]

@ToToGSARider

Online BRouter routes use the profiles of the websites: BRouter or BikeRouter.

Online BRouter Routen verwenden die Profile der Websites: BRouter oder BikeRouter.

[Leeb64]

About the settings for the brouter profile:
I showed it to my daughter..."avoid high speed roads"??
Weight ????
Most people would have problems to understand that!
Maybe -> avoid fast roads over xx km/h?
(Vermeide schnelle Strassen über xx km/h)
And with the weight...
Maybe -> avoid mountainous routes?
(Vermeide bergige Strecken)
(with a scale of 0-10)

[devemux86]

Or they are not needed and the avoidances should be enough for most users?

[Ciutnik]

It's still hard for me to see the effect of "vmax" and "totalweight" in combination with avoidance. I can see that he is, but he is... unpredictable 🤔

[devemux86]

@Ciutnik

If we enable several avoidances, then the vmax and totalweight have little effect.
If we disable all avoidances, then we can see the difference of these two options.

I included them so we can make tests and decide what to keep for the better user experience.

Info: another router that has a max speed option is Valhalla.

[MotoUKRider]

Here in the UK we have several 7-ton road limits, usually around residential areas to keep the 18-wheelers from getting caught in tight spaces. There are also some 3-ton limits on single-tracks leading to older bridges - I suspect this is common in other countries? I'm assuming the weight setting is more for that scenario than a few extra kgs of luggage on a 2-wheeled weekend camping trip?!

[devemux86]

vmax + totalweight are assigned, there is no other reference in the BRouter profiles.
They should be used internally inside the BRouter code.

When we test it, the weight reduction practically avoids big roads like motorways etc.

Essentially if we just use the avoidances we should be fine?
Don't know if / how the vmax + totalweight can micro-adjust and avoid more roads?

Perhaps @afischerdev knows better how these parameters work.

[Leeb64]

I like to use this profile for motorcycling:
Important:
assign recup_efficiency = 1 No mountains are avoided.
Above 80km/h, most cities will be bypassed if possible.
Above 120 km/h, expressways are increasingly preferred.
The weight set to 500kg.
Weight and speed affect each other.
Here 3 steps would actually be sufficient:
smaller roads (40km/h),
normal (80km/h),
brisk (130 km/h).
Additionally:toll(y/n),motorway(y/n),gravel roads(y/n)
The whole "fine adjustment" mostly only irritates.
If there were any way to avoid cities in the BRouter settings, it would be ideal.

__MOPPED(80kmh)# mautfrei.brf.txt

[umpfmpf]

Ich komme mit den "moped" Einstellungen eigentlich gut zurecht.
Aber gibt es keine Möglichkeit beim Verlassen der Route eine neue Route zu berechnen,
anstatt ständig zurück zu routen?

[devemux86]

@umpfmpf

Do you want to disable the rerouting? Long press the top-left navigation panel.
Or you want the rerouting? It calculates a route to next waypoint.
Or do you have enabled the strict route following in navigation settings?
Can you provide a route example with app settings .pref file and gps location?

Möchten Sie die Umleitung deaktivieren? Drücken Sie lange auf die linke obere Navigationstaste.
Oder wollen Sie die Umleitung? Es wird eine Route zum nächsten Wegpunkt berechnet.
Oder haben Sie die strikte Routenverfolgung in den Navigationseinstellungen aktiviert?
Können Sie eine Beispielroute mit der App-Einstellungsdatei .pref und dem GPS-Standort angeben?

[0709wiwiwi]

Or this ?
Navigation Recalculation Optimisation #191

[devemux86]

@0709wiwiwi this is a nice workaround to bypass the router heading.

[umpfmpf]

test_richtung.gpx.txt
testroute.pref.txt

[devemux86]

@umpfmpf

Thanks for the files. BRouter has a heading parameter in the routing that doesn't seem to be working properly.
I am checking what is happening.

Danke für die Dateien. BRouter hat einen Überschrift-Parameter im Routing, der nicht richtig zu funktionieren scheint.
Ich prüfe gerade, was passiert.

abrensch/brouter#589

[xek000000kkk]

Hey there, I've added my .brf file to Android/data/gr.talent.cruiser/files/brouter/profiles2/, but I can't figure out how to select it within the app. How do I do that?
@devemux86