Cruiser 5.6.0 Beta 7 #829
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@devemux86 Just tried this, the App immediately closes. I was prompted to clear the cache, I did, and still get the immediate exit. Of course, if I try to re-install one of the earlier Betas, the APK is "not valid". I suppose the only recourse is to uninstall (but select "keep data") and re-install? Samsung S20, Android 13. |
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@MotoUKRider Can you try on other devices? (remember to take backup first!) |
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@devemux86 Tried on my backup/spare Samsung S9, Android 10. Same result from an update (using Beta 1.1). Instant close. The thick plottens ❓ |
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@MotoUKRider Do you have 24 hour format on your devices? |
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@MotoUKRider This should be fixed in Beta 2. Thanks for the report! 👍 |
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@devemux86 Yes, 24hr is enabled. Looks like we have a fix 🎈 Thanks. |
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Cruiser 5.6.0 Beta 2 is available:
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The implementation with the small shaping points looks good. |
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@umpfmpf All waypoints via + shaping share the same sequence. |
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Well, things are working and I can see a number of nice changes. The Favorite icons look good, and I've tamed a few settings, ie: Direction Arrow colour to match my colour-scheme within the Profile. The "Full Screen" seems to work differently, previously, I could keep the phones status-bar visible when browsing the map. Engaging Follow/Navigate could take Cruiser "full-screen" (and remove the bottom 3 phone buttons, too). It seems that I can flick this menu up from the bottom but it's a bit fiddly. Roadside shenanigans could be tricky with this change. The "Battery" panel now needs to be enabled "all the time" from what I can see - previously, I only had it enabled for Follow+Navigate. It wasn't necessary during Browse because the phone's status-bar was visible. |
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Having settings for multiple states in the same profile is complicated to manage and confusing to use. This is usually work for the app profiles: use separate profiles for navigation, follow, travel modes, etc. |
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@devemux86 I suppose I should be an expert at keeping several different configs in sync by now! I've since ditched my "Night Mode" profile in favour of just changing the map theme as I've now settled on an arrow/icon colour that works for all times of day/night. The Routing Profiles take care of avoidances for roads etc, so the amount of Profile copy/paste is now zero. Profiles for types of travel, I get. But Browse/Follow/Navigate had quite a straightforward settings structure. |
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Really❓ |
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Is there a chance to either
And was there a request to change the icons from circles to (rounded) squares? |
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The optimal icon shape everywhere is the rectangle (could be with rounded corners). Markers (all of them) have a size setting in "Map | Appearance | Markers". |
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Thanks, I wasn't aware of that... So my question remains: is there a chance to make the icons smaller? Or allow for a value < 100%? Currently they appear too big for me with the current minimum value of 100%... |
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@bios4 Favorite icons will be adjusted in the next version. |
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Great news 👍, looking forward to the next Beta to check... |
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Another change is that the route line increases its width as we zoom in, like the roads on the map. If this works well and we can keep it, we could think about whether we also need it for the tracks. |
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Hi all - I'm on a tour from Friday till Sunday and I'd like to test the new beta too. |
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Hi! when you test a beta, is strongly recommended (and @devemux86 said it hundreds of times) backup your settings, and all other valuable information stored in Cruiser. PS: when I try beta versions I keep the APK, so I can back to a beta stable version. Usually the Cruiser beta versions are strong and stables, but ALWAYS I backup my settings and other data (I keep not just one backup, I have a lot of them named YYYYMMDD..... |
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I am also a bit unsure if I should update now because the last two versions were updates via Google Playstore where I do not have an apk. Is the 5.5.2 available as apk somewhere? |
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Google Play version is also available in Releases section.
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That is perfect. But one thing I cannot confirm. The settings are not 100% same. Most of my side panels were removed after installing the b2 now and I had to configure them new. Perhaps that is becuase of the udpate with the new color option etc? |
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@mkrezdo Exactly, it was necessary because of the new panel settings. |
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5.6.0 b2 starts now already in Landscape mode, probably because I have configured landscape mode for driving? I find the planning better in portrait mode. Can you either add separated modes for planning and driving or make it as before? |
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@DolomitesTom No, this is not possible. |
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ok this is possible yes, thanks, rest is ok, have only get used to pixels instead of percentage. |
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I've found one issue with the new panels. After installing the beta my panel size was set to 90% (I guess from the previous version). ps: above the panel-size setting there is a function that is called "Umriss" in German - what is that? I could not see any change |
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ok thanks. Do you've any timeline for that? (would help to decide which version I choose for the weekend) |
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@mkrezdo A new Beta will be available today. |
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just tested it & it works. I can reduce the size down to 80%. That is great and still good to read for me :-) A general question: there are much settings where the size can be adjusted (menu ,text, ...) but all the time only 100-200%. Why is it not possible to enable for all of them a range from perhaps 50 or 80-200 %? |
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@mkrezdo Each option and its possible values requires maintenance. We should simplify the settings, as new users find the app complicated to use. If there is need for a specific option or value we must first discuss and understand its real use. |
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Cruiser 5.6.0 Beta 3 is available:
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Favorites' icon size on the map is now much better, thanks! 👍 |
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We now use the default size of the map theme icons. |
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I already mentioned that some settings and most panels are only useful in motion, So we can make the screen orientation setting to only work in navigation / follow. |
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@devemux86 Is the hard-setting of orientation for those who always have the device on the bike? The only time I've had an issue with portrait-vs-landscape is putting the phone into the cradle, unlocking the screen and finding that the side-stand doesn't have enough "lean" to engage landscape. Generally, I'll rotate the device to engage whatever viewing mode I need. A device issue, not an App one, of course! |
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@MotoUKRider Mainly, especially when navigation or follow location are active. You can test the improved implementation in Beta 4. |
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Beta test report. Excellent nice progress !
A great basis for more unique Cruiser features? It is common for gpx wpt sym to support the app's internal icons to display. The attached demo gpz file with appropriate sym plus color show the color dots. |
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Did the GPX Export change? I only see track and route, no Option für Waypoints any more. |
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Route export as GPX is more simple:
@DolomitesTom Where do you need the GPX waypoints (wpt)? You can use GPX route (rte) for this. GPX waypoints (wpt) are designed to store locations in random order, like the favorites. GPX route (rte) is an ordered list of waypoints (rtept) representing the series of route waypoints. |
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Small issue: Device time format is 24h, but the time panel has 12h format. Do you use device format or is there an internal setting? |
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@kds112 There has been an app setting for a long time in "Settings | Navigation | Advanced | Use 24-hour format". |
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Ah, ok! I searched in general application settings. Did not expect it in navigation settings... Thank! 👍 |
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@kds112 Remember that app settings have a search function. Search e.g. for "hour". |
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Cruiser 5.6.0 Beta 4 is available:
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Trying out Beta 4, nothing has broken as yet 🔧 Is there a way to control/tame the Favorite Grouping so that icons are not "grouped" until a specific zoom-out? I know you changed how this worked some time ago for performance reasons, but I find that sometimes when 6 items are grouped, the map resolution would actually permit showing each icon. Could there be a horizontal divider bar between Start Navigate and Start Follow ? Just to allow an easier press. |
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@MotoUKRider Group algorithm works automatically. |
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@devemux86 Hmmmm. My main, always visible Favorite Group of "stuff" is ~1500 items dotted around the UK and Europe 🗺️ |
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Certain apps pollute the map with massively distracting icons. Hoovering over icons sometimes even triggers unwanted popups. A design with only the scheduled wpt transfers is optimal. Icon exchanges between apps however is not provided in the gpx standard. Color support for the default dot icon in Cruiser could potentially already help. A gpz file (zipped gpx) transfers any wpt icon. It is technically possible and shown. Anyway to present it attractive in the app is probably a serious challenge. |
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@0709wiwiwi Nah. |
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We will see what more can be done in the future. 🙂 However, app performance and stability remain top priorities. |
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I made my first trip with the Pixel settings for the width instead of perventage. It is weird, looks very bad, the proportions are not correct at all and the smooth movement has gone. Please take this back again. |
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@DolomitesTom Also when making reports, it is required to provide the app profile. Also screenshots and video so we can see what you report. |
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I can't make videos while driving, I have only this screenshot. The thing is that horizontal lines are much to thin in comparison to vertical lines and the biggest issue is that the smooth movement is not working anymore, despite of having animated location active. This is comparable to the fall back into the world witout VTM. A perceived deterioration of 90% for me. I tried with 18 Px before, this was awful, now 12, also not much better. Also the configured panels for actual time and average speed have disappeared. At least temporarally and now they have the same spacing from the borders as the buttons what is very bad. It is really needed that the spacing for the panels is different from the buttons. When the distance of the panels is the same as the buttons than the buttons are overlaying the panels and you can not touch the panels anymore, you always hit the buttons even if you don't want that, because you want to change the content of the panel. I am sure this is caused by the change from percentage into pixels. I beg you to take that back. |
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@DolomitesTom There are several mixed misunderstandings in this report.
This is how it always worked. This is how real 3D world and our eyes work! Tilt the map and you will see all horizontal lines / roads become thinner.
Nothing has changed here. And without a video I cannot understand what you report. Disable Kalman filter. Select another location service.
No, percentage or pixels are just user options of the same internal value and only for route / track width. An experiment mentioned above without any answers, is that route width increases with zoom. |
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Anyway I answered here
I still do prefer to disable it. |
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@DolomitesTom Also disable the "Settings | Navigation | Show only the active route section". |
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Yes please, maybe this is the problem. I hardly can't believe that nothing has changed. What about the distance of the panels from the border? |
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We can disable it in the next update.
The previous margin selection of Panels / Buttons will be in the next update. |
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Should "destructive" actions in menus have a red icon color? |
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Yes, why not |
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Cruiser 5.6.0 Beta 5 is available:
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@devemux86 The perils of a 2-hour time difference... and a Sunday. Whilst I'm still sipping my morning coffee and double-checking what I hashed-up last night in Notepad++, you're already compiling another build 😆 |
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Cruiser 5.6.0 Beta 6 is available:
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Die Einstellbarkeit der Symbolgrösse ist momentan von 100% bis 300%. Könnte man den Einstellbereich erweitern von 50% bis 300%? |
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Why? With which map theme? If you don't want to see a map layer, you can turn it off. Warum? Mit welchem Kartenthema? Wenn Sie eine Kartenebene nicht sehen möchten, können Sie diese ausschalten. |
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Sorry ,ich meinet eigentlich die Grösse der Symbole der Favoriten aus der eigenen Sammlung. Die könnten etwas kleiner sein. |
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Cruiser 5.6.0 Beta 7 is available:
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Thanks for that, but
(^^ quote from here) So is there a chance to have the already travelled section of the route shown with a slightly different color/pattern/transparency, when this new switch ("Hide the previous route section") is OFF? So that the past route IS shown, but NOT in the same way as the route ahead of me? |
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@bios4 This is excessive micromanagement for a single function, difficult to maintain and confuses users. Can use the GPS recording if want to see the traveled track or in different color. |
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Ultimately we only need the initial implementation: active is from previous waypoint to the next. |
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Can you please extend the 24px route width pixels to 40 pixels. 24px is equal to around 180% on the percent scale, much too small for me while driving. On the opposite while planning it is much to thick. |
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@DolomitesTom |
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Maybe in theory, but not on the device. On my device this is the maximum... and this is comparable to 180% in the past. My setting was 220%. I am missing more width. I stand by my opinion that this is a huge step backwards. Only the smooth movement was better after taking back the last change. What is the problem to provide 40px? Why can't I test it in a beta? 
additionally in planning mode this looks like this, not usable for planning and you always have to change the profile between driving and re-planning. That is absolutely not user-friendly. To my opinion the setting should be different in planning and driving mode. |
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@DolomitesTom Obviously, an extreme large size in any setting will lead to poor appearance! There cannot be different values in each setting for all modes: plan, navigation, follow, etc. |
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Ok, if you want, but If I find it already difficult, how is a newcomer supposed to cope with it? Nevertheless, based on the beta 7 while driving: I would need up to 40px for driving in order to get to a point where it is usable like before for me. Potentially I would start testing with 30px. |
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sorry, but I don't understand this argumentation. Why do you want to make an app with the same limitations as others? If you anyway have to change the profile between planning and driving, what exactly is the problem why you can't provide it up to 40 px width? You fulfill the wish of new users to make it smaller where I ask myself what device is that and why somebody wants to have a thin almost invisible line for routing? As long as the existing functions, especially here the route width stay for me like it is in my relevant range I have no problem with it. But when it then limits me in my preferences, I could thr.. I only know that Cruiser was great before the change into px. Can you please tell me again which version that was or provide the last beta before this change? I want to go back and never update or test any more. I no longer want get disappointed from some “sensational” ideas and demands of new users that turns the app from perfect to worse. |
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@DolomitesTom Please read carefully the "GitHub Community Guidelines" about polite forum behavior: https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-community-guidelines |
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On topic, the width is the same as before, it's simple math: If you see or want something else, that's a completely new request. Next time try to be polite... |
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Because of this extremely toxic behavior and the constant bullying of developers: The speed limit warning will return to the normal limits of -10 km/h to 20 km/h. If you want to drive at illegal speeds, it's your decision, the apps are not involved. End of discussion. |
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@DolomitesTom On my old phone I have the previous Cruiser version 5.4.1 and Locus Classis map version 3.70.7. 
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I do not offend anybody, I just express my opinion and my disappointment caused by such changes.
This is not what I see on my device. Can you tell me which version was the last with width in percent? So that I can make comparable screenshots while driving. |
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Well that is so indeed than a totally new idea suggestion. You may try. |
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no before this recent change it was even worse and the smooth movement was bad. This was better after this taking back of adapting route width per zoom level. I cannot always directly test each update live. The simulation behaves different than live navigation. I only can describe the result. Can you please explain so that I can understand it why is it not possible to extend it to 40 px in a test version and at the same time bring back that this is only active in navigation, not while planning? |
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There is nothing to bring back, as it works just as it did before. |
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what I mean is: can you provide a new test version with width up to 40 px and only valid in navigation? maybe 32px would also be sufficient, I just would like to test it while driving. |
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No. We will not have another Beta until new features are implemented.
Again: use app profiles like all this time. |
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You mean 5.6 which is on google play? 5.7.1 would be sufficient |
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Cruiser 5.6.0 Beta 7 is available:
Set different colors in panels #584 (comment)
(Settings | Application | Appearance)
Turn on / off screen in navigation #61 (comment)
(Settings | Application | Screen | Turn on screen)
(see the link for instructions)
Small shaping points option #825 (comment)
(Settings | Routing | Appearance)
New route and track width settings
(Settings | Routing | Appearance)
(Settings | GPS recording | Appearance)
Export route as CSV #832
Updated map themes
Various improvements
Before updating the app, please BACKUP your favorites, routes, tracks and profiles!
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