Dev meeting 2016 02 16

Agenda

• Alpha 4 & 5, & beta timing
• BC on controller classes, c.f. #4652 & #4665

Log

gawainlynch> ping Bopp carsonfull phillipp rarila rossriley SahAssar slick0 
<slick0> ACK
<Bopp> pong ;-)
<rarila> gawainlynch: pong!
<phillipp> connection closed by peer
<gawainlynch> OK… to start… rossriley BC on controller classes, c.f. #4652 & #4665
-[BoltIssueBall]/#boltcms- #4652 [open] Improve deprecation handling for controllers. https://github.com/bolt/bolt/issues/4652 
-[BoltIssueBall]/#boltcms- #4665 [open] Graceful Deprecation for Custom Controllers https://github.com/bolt/bolt/issues/4665 
* [BoltIssueBall] looks at that number suspiciously…
<rarila> phillipp: beer? later!
<phillipp> haha no
* gawainlynch pokes rarila to get a beer for rossriley so he can answer
<rossriley> gawainlynch: I’m not sure if any more is solveable other than in rewriting docs
<Bopp> I can live with good docs.
<gawainlynch> rossriley: OK, so shall I move those to a combined issue on bolt/docs?
<rossriley> I just walked through an upgrade with stevendv over in slack this morning and he had the same probs.
<rossriley> also with extension changes too...
<Bopp> 3.0 -> major release, breakage expected.
<rarila> gawainlynch: I have no Ale
<gawainlynch> rossriley: Plural or singular ns?
<gawainlynch> Yeah, extension docs need more koala 
<rossriley> yes, moving to singular namespace, but obviously then all the method signatures are incorrect
<gawainlynch> I was never clear on approach wrt to the BC Frontend problems is all
<gawainlynch> OK… the plural ns should be fine for BC IMHO… if it isn't and can't be, then we should probably ditch it
<gawainlynch> carsonfull has a better picture on that though
<rossriley> I think we should ditch
<gawainlynch> WFM
<Bopp> :+1:
<rossriley> although I guess if you install Bolt but never make a custom controller then you won’t see the problem
<gawainlynch> Yeah, I think we still need the Routing class for YAML BC
<rossriley> but I imagine the first thing most people do is make their own controller, so the majority of installs will need adressing
<gawainlynch> Haha
<gawainlynch> Bopp: PHP 7 Whoops issues… we living with them?
<Bopp> gawainlynch: at the moment, but I think this needs fixing before 3.0 final
<gawainlynch> OK… That's what I mean
<Bopp> it'll be too much hassle wrt people wanting support otherwise
<Bopp> ok, same page. 
<gawainlynch> OK… so we bump to PHP 7 ;-)
<gawainlynch> OK… we'll off line that one
<gawainlynch> Alpha 4 & 5, & beta timing
<Bopp> I'd say alpha time after this weekend. 
<gawainlynch> I'd like to bump to alpha 4 now… alpha 5 next Monday… thoughts?
<rossriley> +1
<gawainlynch> Alpha 5 being first public
<Bopp> gawainlynch: fair enough. 
<gawainlynch> Next week we see how we're progressing and call yes/wait on beta
<Bopp> I'd like to make the alpha a weekly thing, until we say it's good enough for beta
<gawainlynch> Bopp: That's pretty much where I was heading
<Bopp> :-)
<gawainlynch> Bopp: We should work together ;-)
<gawainlynch> OK… anyone have anything to raise?
<phillipp> pls, take a room xD
<Bopp> i do! 
<phillipp> ah yes I too
<phillipp> bob first
<Bopp> I'd like to say I'm very happy with the progress that was made on #4202 the last week! 
-[BoltIssueBall]/#boltcms- #4202 [open] [Tracker] Bolt 3.0 Release Blocking Issues https://github.com/bolt/bolt/issues/4202 
<phillipp> :+1:
<Bopp> and, I'm making good progress on docs, still 
<gawainlynch> Yeah… rossriley has been on fire!
<rossriley> can we shelve #4095 for first release?
-[BoltIssueBall]/#boltcms- #4095 [open] [Feature] Thumbnails/Uploads/FileManager with remote filesystems https://github.com/bolt/bolt/issues/4095  — assigned to CarsonF
<Bopp> and lastly: I've started making wireframes for new base theme. 
<phillipp> cool
* rarila2 (~rarila@dslb-084-061-206-193.084.061.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #boltcms
<gawainlynch> rossriley: I think we might have to… carsonfull has a full life right now 
<Bopp> hope to have something to show soon to small group of people who want to help finetune and work on theme itself
<gawainlynch> SahAssar: Have you silently showed up yet?
<phillipp> Bopp: i want to give feedback at least :)
<gawainlynch> phillipp: Fire away my friend
<phillipp> yeah, i would like to see a (small) style guide with the Bolt 3 release
<Bopp> phillipp: I'd like that.
<phillipp> would help a lot
<rossriley> ok, well I can jump on the session / csrf stuff this week / weekend then
<gawainlynch> phillipp: Me 3
<rarila2> gawainlynch: he's marriaged now?
<Bopp> rossriley: Awesome. ;-)
<gawainlynch> rossriley: Yeah, carsonfull actually has a bunch of stuff nearly ready to land… but we'll try and rope the three of us in together
<rossriley> sure
<Bopp> I call dibs on landing the "paths" stuff, so i can fix up my PR's related to that. ;-)
<gawainlynch> rarila2: No… just stressed out about RL work :-/
<gawainlynch> (carsonfull is)
<gawainlynch> rossriley: Seriously though, help is welcome… just need to get Carson into sanity land… poor guy has a lot on
<rarila2> phillipp: what style?
<[BoltGitHubBot]> [bolt] bobdenotter opened pull request #4856: Updating dependencies (most notable, Foundation 5.5.3) (release/2.2...update/updating-dependencies-for-base2014-theme) https://git.io/vgdsl
<Bopp> rarila2: Style that will be defined in the styleguide. ;-)
<phillipp> style guide to use the bolt logo and colors and so on
<[BoltGitHubBot]> [bolt] GawainLynch pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vgdsr
<[BoltGitHubBot]> bolt/master 071178c Gawain Lynch: Bump to alpha 4
<gawainlynch> OK… so who wants to step up for the styel guide?
<rarila2> phillipp: ah, that one
<gawainlynch> (and to teach me to type)
<Bopp> I'd love to, but with Docs and Base theme, i'm booked!
<gawainlynch> phillipp?
<phillipp> i am bad at those things
<Bopp> I can ask Peter, Evert, Sebastiaan, Derk or Anke?
<phillipp> who did the bolt logo?
<gawainlynch> Bopp: That's be great
<Bopp> I'll do that! 
<Bopp> .. because it's a great idea by phillipp.. 
<gawainlynch> OK… long running meeting… anything else?
<rarila2> When we will add the new logo?
* rarila2 is now known as rarila
<Bopp> .. so us nerds will now which colors to use. 
<Bopp> rarila: when we make a new logo
<phillipp> with the style guide we could change the design of te homepage, docs and extension store more similar
<[BoltGitHubBot]> [bolt] GawainLynch closed pull request #4856: Updating dependencies (most notable, Foundation 5.5.3) (release/2.2...update/updating-dependencies-for-base2014-theme) https://git.io/vgdsl
<rarila> Bopp: thought our siberian friend had a nice one
<Bopp> gawainlynch: I'll cherry-pick into master ;-)
<gawainlynch> Bopp: Thank you… stepping back from my console ;-)
<gawainlynch> …and
<Bopp> rarila: yes, it IS a nice logo. It looks nice. However, there has been no design brief, no inventory of a usecase, etc. 
<Bopp> rarila: in other words, it _looks_ nice, but it's not _good_.
* slick0 likes the current logo
<gawainlynch> Sure but I can't tell you how much crap I have had from UI people on our current one (that I quite like)
<geggleto> ^
<Bopp> rarila: A good new logo will require some work _before_ it's being drawn, so to say. 
<slick0> maybe a new one could just be an iteration on the current one?
<slick0> wouldn't want to see it go too far from what's already there
<rarila> Bopp: at least you know what it stands for what I often have asked myself for the current one
<gawainlynch> slick0: I wore a Bolt t-shirt to work today… I must love the stuff ;-)
<Bopp> Me too. There's absolutely room for improvement, but tossing this one and going in a whole other direction won't do either. 
<gawainlynch> :=1:
* gawainlynch still kan't tipe
<rarila> gawainlynch: or you have no money for bought clothes ;-)
<geggleto> sok gawainlynch 
<phillipp> i just wanted a style guide, not a new logo :P
<gawainlynch> phillipp: Welcome to project management
<Bopp> Styleguide -> good first step. 
<phillipp> rarila: i got 90% of my shirts for free xD
<slick0> btw, drupal, joomla, werdpress, and hell, even opencart has their logo on font-awesome…
<gawainlynch> OK… if nobody has anything past chatter
<Bopp> slick0: we have a PR for that. 
<phillipp> i tried to get the bolt logo into font-awesoem but its difficult
<slick0> Bopp: nice!!